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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 23 Jul 16 9.16am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle


Excuse me but I do believe you are talking utter b@llocks.

What about all the Indians, Jews, Africans etc who have settled in Europe over the past 50 years. These people you could argue have just as much reason to feel disenfranchised however they don’t result to mindless killings.

Making excuses for these dicks whilst trying to put the blame on society is frankly pathetic.

And of those Indians and Africans, you do realise a considerable percentage are muslim - do you see the flaw in your argument?

 

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Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

And Islam has been around how many thousands of years? Did it ever effect our way of lives the way it has in the past 20 years? No, that's because as Rudyard Kipling wrote, never the twain shall meet. And that was the case right up until the west started to bomb and interfere with the east. The proof of that is there, plain for everyone to see. It's just that most choose not to look further than the agenda driven bias media agencies that they choose as their one true source of information.

You don't really know much about Islam do you.

It's under 1400 years old and was very much spread by the sword in a very short period of time. We would probably be Islamic ourselves if a Christian army hadn't stopped them in Spain. So yes, there was a time when Islam was very similar in its interpretation to how its extremists see it now.

As I say, Islam is only peaceful for those that interpret it that way......Try drawing a cartoon of Mo and find out for yourself how peaceful it is....The peaceful ones will shake their heads but plenty will threaten you physically.

As for the bombing 'of the east'. What bombing was going on before 9/11?

 


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View blackpalacefan's Profile blackpalacefan Flag 23 Jul 16 9.18am Send a Private Message to blackpalacefan Add blackpalacefan as a friend

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

Trump has the majority of the Gay vote too.

Amazing just how much support you can get in Politics by being honest regardless of your opinion.

He just knows it's the year of the outsider and that people are fed up with the same messages and faces. I don't believe Trump has some burning, honest desire to build a wall or ban this or that group. It's just an angle he's taking because he see's it as his path to victory. It's all simple soundbites.


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 23 Jul 16 9.40am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

And of those Indians and Africans, you do realise a considerable percentage are muslim - do you see the flaw in your argument?

Only about 14% of India is Muslim. Most Muslims from the sub continent are pakistani or Bangladeshi.
Africa is around 40% Muslim.

I think all this does is demonstrate the complex issues and risks you set loose when you have a policy of allowing mass immigration.

 

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View blackpalacefan's Profile blackpalacefan Flag 23 Jul 16 9.43am Send a Private Message to blackpalacefan Add blackpalacefan as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Only about 14% of India is Muslim. Most Muslims from the sub continent are pakistani or Bangladeshi.
Africa is around 40% Muslim.

I think all this does is demonstrate the complex issues and risks you set loose when you have a policy of allowing mass immigration.

I have to admit the numbers going into Germany last year, 2 million, would raise anyones eyebrows. It's definite something something the people should've had a say on but Merkel saw cheap labour I believe and ignored all other factors.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 23 Jul 16 10.10am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by blackpalacefan

I have to admit the numbers going into Germany last year, 2 million, would raise anyones eyebrows. It's definite something something the people should've had a say on but Merkel saw cheap labour I believe and ignored all other factors.

Our politicians have gone mad or they have been bought or coerced.

There was no excuse to be unaware of the potential risks in allowing such huge numbers into Europe. It's almost like some secret puppet master is pulling the strings to mess us up in the best way possible.

My guess is that the super rich ruling elite are making this happen to further line their pockets. The collateral damage is of no consequence to them at all.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Facepalm moment of the week.

Aye?
You're going to have to explain that one?

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 23 Jul 16 10.40am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Straightbackup

Aye?
You're going to have to explain that one?

If you insist.

An academic discussion about holy books and which is the baddest really is besides the point.
The teachings, history, relative merits of scripture do not have any baring on the current situation. It cannot be used to excuse, apologise for or mask the behaviour of a certain group of people who claim to follow their version of the Islamic faith and have perpetrated some of the worst atrocities we have seen committed against fellow human beings in the modern era. We have a serious terrorist threat in Europe because politicians have ignored the risks and an on going ideological battle.
Discussing whether the Old Testament God would win on top trumps over Allah or if Christians were meaner 600 years ago is really rather lame and looks suspiciously like avoidance of current realities.

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View Straightbackup's Profile Straightbackup Flag Crystal Palace 23 Jul 16 11.11am Send a Private Message to Straightbackup Add Straightbackup as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

If you insist.

An academic discussion about holy books and which is the baddest really is besides the point.
The teachings, history, relative merits of scripture do not have any baring on the current situation. It cannot be used to excuse, apologise for or mask the behaviour of a certain group of people who claim to follow their version of the Islamic faith and have perpetrated some of the worst atrocities we have seen committed against fellow human beings in the modern era. We have a serious terrorist threat in Europe because politicians have ignored the risks and an on going ideological battle.
Discussing whether the Old Testament God would win on top trumps over Allah or if Christians were meaner 600 years ago is really rather lame and looks suspiciously like avoidance of current realities.

I thought that's what you might be driving at- which wasn't my point. At all.
I actually agree with you so I'm not sure why you felt a facepalm was necessary?
Religion is the main factor that has created most of the problems in the world today and I find it laughable that anyone would argue over whose imaginary friend is better, let alone kill other human beings because of it.
Religion was, and still is, a tool for controlling the masses.
The reason it's so dangerous is that those that follow the religious 'teachings' in the books believe that it's the word of God, and not the word of some bloke who may have been having a really bad day and wrote 'angry'

Edited by Straightbackup (23 Jul 2016 11.12am)

 


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Originally posted by Straightbackup

I thought that's what you might be driving at- which wasn't my point. At all.
I actually agree with you so I'm not sure why you felt a facepalm was necessary?
Religion is the main factor that has created most of the problems in the world today and I find it laughable that anyone would argue over whose imaginary friend is better, let alone kill other human beings because of it.
Religion was, and still is, a tool for controlling the masses.
The reason it's so dangerous is that those that follow the religious 'teachings' in the books believe that it's the word of God, and not the word of some bloke who may have been having a really bad day and wrote 'angry'

Edited by Straightbackup (23 Jul 2016 11.12am)


It's hard to disagree with this. I have more time for spiritual belief systems that relate to improving the self. Fire and brimstone religions that point the finger at others are, let's face it, irrational in their very nature. Is it any wonder that sometimes people following religions that are delusonal at their core can spin out of control at one point or another?

The primary reason Christianity isn't the boogeyman of the moment is that we have so many distractions and live in relative comfort. If we lived with the kind of levels of destruction that exists within the middle east, inflicted on them by themselves and others, or felt a religious connect to that, it would filter through to our thinking too. It's really quite easy to justify terrible acts using the bible or the koran as it's all down to interpretation. Christianity has thankfully been rather watered down over the centuries. Really we're not even a Christian country anymore. What people don't point out with these polls of muslim opinion here is that, as out of sync as some are with society, views are actually gradually moving in the right direction. That doesn't sell papers though. If we kick out these crazed hate preachers and keep a close eye on those going down the right path, hopefully in time we can find more commonality and keep a lid on things. We're all on the same land mass despite our differences and so to an extent we don't have a choice regardless of what pans out with immigration. But as a wider point, the less religious the world becomes the better, since it's built on irrationality.


 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

If you insist.

An academic discussion about holy books and which is the baddest really is besides the point.
The teachings, history, relative merits of scripture do not have any baring on the current situation. It cannot be used to excuse, apologise for or mask the behaviour of a certain group of people who claim to follow their version of the Islamic faith and have perpetrated some of the worst atrocities we have seen committed against fellow human beings in the modern era. We have a serious terrorist threat in Europe because politicians have ignored the risks and an on going ideological battle.
Discussing whether the Old Testament God would win on top trumps over Allah or if Christians were meaner 600 years ago is really rather lame and looks suspiciously like avoidance of current realities.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Jul 2016 10.40am)

You realise you've just made the exact same point that you facepalmed him to begin with?

Facepalm moment of the month?

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 23 Jul 16 12.22pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

You realise you've just made the exact same point that you facepalmed him to begin with?

Facepalm moment of the month?

Well if that is the case than it was a point worth making twice.

I will withdraw the facepalm award if it makes everyone feel better.


 

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