Well as you're of the view that he could say this kind of thing countless times towards certain races, but never a white congressman or woman and it still wouldn't be racist, then there's little more to be said.

Ask him 'what difference does it make' rather than me, since it's pretty clear that he hasn't and won't be saying the same thing along those racial lines and hence it was a comment in part said due ethnic minority status of those it was aimed at.

As I said earlier, democrats essentially have a check box system for minority races in their campaigns. Trump has a difference strategy of which this is clearly part. What you said 'could happen' clearly won't happen for that reason.

Edited by dollardays (18 Jul 2019 12.09am)

Well, yes as I said, however many layers you go down, it would be lined with excuses for it. He could carry on with 'go home' at certain races indefinitely, and it'll get this 'but maybe that's not racist really, prove it.. ' and get turned on the person highlighting it

It's quite clear that the ethnic minority status of the group he said this to, was an intentional component of why he said it.

I've not said that he's some kind of shameless racist, rather than what he said here was. He says what he feels will offer him advantage with his voter base, and in this case, it happens to be something that's racist. I've also by the way highlighted that certain democrats are routinely racist too.

These women aren't foreigners, so again it's not a great comparison. Three of them are American born citizens who happen to have a different political take. They don't 'hate their country' as he says.

Edited by dollardays (18 Jul 2019 12.42am)

Where someone is born may well be important enough to argue against their point of view, rather than suggest they leave the country. Especially when they are state representatives voted in by the public.

I notice in Trump's rally tonight, he's individually naming each of these women, slowly highlighting their 'foreign' sounding names, and leaving time for the crowd to boo and chant 'send her back'. Classy stuff. And predictably along the lines that I stated.

Richard Spencer is someone I obviously completely disagree with, but he does have the guts to stand by what he believes in. There is no clouded view of his own outlook or excuses for other peoples. It is what it is and he is willing to deal with the varied reactions to that. In its own way, that's the American way.

I prefer the fact that the Mooch agrees with me though. That's all that really matters at the end of the day..

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Yes, I can't help but think that the Mooch has the power to bring us all together [Link]

Haha. It's uncanny.

I think the debate over whether what Trump said was racist, or not, has played straight into his hands. Likewise the vote in the House has done him a huge favour and was a bad miscalculation by the Democrats.

Whether it was racist or not is semantics. It depends on your point of view and is actually beside the point.

The important thing was that he said it. It was extremely offensive and disrespectful to other elected representatives who are US citizens but happen to hold other political views. You can disagree with the politics without having to employ personal insults, or suggesting that those politics somehow mean those that hold them don't "love their country".

Whether racist, or not, it has encouraged those who are racist, so it further divides a divided people.

More importantly it sets the tone for his re-election strategy. He doesn't care that he appears racist, narcissistic, immoral, thin skinned, a liar, bully and all the many other dodgy attributes that attach to him. All that matters is that he makes the "opposition" look worse.

He did it with Obama, with the birthing nonsense as an example. He did it with Clinton, with the email controversy, the "lock her up" chants and "crooked Hillary" slurs. These have nothing to do with policy. They are personal character assassinations, built on lies and half truths.

Now he will paint the Democrats as being the party run by people who aren't really American, don't share "our" values and who ought to "go home". He is appealing to the worst instincts of his "base", which is largely of European stock, plus all of those who fear any kind of move towards a more inclusive society. Let alone one which employs anything resembling the mildest form of socialism. Libertarianism is close to the hearts of many Americans. Suggest this is under threat and they will forget Trump's many faults.

It seems to me that this is not so dissimilar to the UKIP position in the UK. Others closer to UKIP may disagree.

That US politics has sunk to this level is not nice to watch. It's personality politics before policy. That we might be drifting the same way is something that must be resisted.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.