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jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Sep 17 5.47pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 It is ludicrous to stir up some brown shirt scare when the real fascists in this country are bombing children at concerts, running people down in the streets, stabbing police and civilians. They are the real growing danger that needs addressing, not a few neo-nazi nut jobs. Edited by hedgehog50 (09 Sep 2017 7.01pm) By implementing some good old fashioned 'fascist principles' no doubt, like due process, presumption of innocence, detention without trial, fair trials and blanket surveillance against people? "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 11 Sep 17 5.47pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

It is ludicrous to stir up some brown shirt scare when the real fascists in this country are bombing children at concerts, running people down in the streets, stabbing police and civilians. They are the real growing danger that needs addressing, not a few neo-nazi nut jobs.

Edited by hedgehog50 (09 Sep 2017 7.01pm)

By implementing some good old fashioned 'fascist principles' no doubt, like due process, presumption of innocence, detention without trial, fair trials and blanket surveillance against people?

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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hedgehog50 Croydon 11 Sep 17 6.22pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 By implementing some good old fashioned 'fascist principles' no doubt, like due process, presumption of innocence, detention without trial, fair trials and blanket surveillance against people? Well Comrade Stalin did say "Social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism..." We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 11 Sep 17 6.22pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

By implementing some good old fashioned 'fascist principles' no doubt, like due process, presumption of innocence, detention without trial, fair trials and blanket surveillance against people?

Well Comrade Stalin did say "Social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism..."

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Stirlingsays 12 Sep 17 8.21am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Yes, it better to have an actual rapist (alleged by Ivana) and sex pest (alleged by loads) in The White House than someone who was just being a total cvnt. Did you complain the same about Bill Clinton? I doubt it. I defended Clinton at the time and still do in relation to the sexual attacks on him. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Sep 2017 8.23am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Sep 17 8.21am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Yes, it better to have an actual rapist (alleged by Ivana) and sex pest (alleged by loads) in The White House than someone who was just being a total cvnt.

Did you complain the same about Bill Clinton?

I doubt it.

I defended Clinton at the time and still do in relation to the sexual attacks on him.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Sep 2017 8.23am)

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Stirlingsays 12 Sep 17 8.34am
If far right people of organizations are planning attacks then they need to be arrested like anyone else. Are there over twenty thousand fascists on watch lists in this country? Do we have over six hundred M15 active investigations on possible fascist conspiracies in this country? Nope.....but we get reactionaries finger pointing at people they don't like and calling them 'fascists' because that's what these losers like to do. Apparently you can arrest fascists in the Army, but communists in education or elsewhere? Nope, they get a pass apparently....and this is from a 'conservative' government? I hope these people were actually planning something because otherwise this is a thought crime and I regard that as very dangerous. Are these wallies writing articles about the actual real threats to this country.....Nope...because in truth they dislike this country.....especially after the Brexit vote. Well, tough cheese.....in democracies...you win some, you lose some. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Sep 2017 8.36am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Sep 17 8.34am

If far right people of organizations are planning attacks then they need to be arrested like anyone else.

Are there over twenty thousand fascists on watch lists in this country?

Do we have over six hundred M15 active investigations on possible fascist conspiracies in this country?

Nope.....but we get reactionaries finger pointing at people they don't like and calling them 'fascists' because that's what these losers like to do.

Apparently you can arrest fascists in the Army, but communists in education or elsewhere? Nope, they get a pass apparently....and this is from a 'conservative' government? I hope these people were actually planning something because otherwise this is a thought crime and I regard that as very dangerous.

Are these wallies writing articles about the actual real threats to this country.....Nope...because in truth they dislike this country.....especially after the Brexit vote. Well, tough cheese.....in democracies...you win some, you lose some.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Sep 2017 8.36am)

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DanH SW2 12 Sep 17 9.04am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays If far right people of organizations are planning attacks then they need to be arrested like anyone else. Are there over twenty thousand fascists on watch lists in this country? Do we have over six hundred M15 active investigations on possible fascist conspiracies in this country? Nope.....but we get reactionaries finger pointing at people they don't like and calling them 'fascists' because that's what these losers like to do. Apparently you can arrest fascists in the Army, but communists in education or elsewhere? Nope, they get a pass apparently....and this is from a 'conservative' government? I hope these people were actually planning something because otherwise this is a thought crime and I regard that as very dangerous. Are these wallies writing articles about the actual real threats to this country.....Nope...because in truth they dislike this country.....especially after the Brexit vote. Well, tough cheese.....in democracies...you win some, you lose some. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Sep 2017 8.36am) These reads like a Stewart Lee piece of stand up.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If far right people of organizations are planning attacks then they need to be arrested like anyone else.

Are there over twenty thousand fascists on watch lists in this country?

Do we have over six hundred M15 active investigations on possible fascist conspiracies in this country?

Nope.....but we get reactionaries finger pointing at people they don't like and calling them 'fascists' because that's what these losers like to do.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Sep 2017 8.36am)

These reads like a Stewart Lee piece of stand up.

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Kermit8 Hevon 12 Sep 17 9.46am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays If far right people of organizations are planning attacks then they need to be arrested like anyone else. Are there over twenty thousand fascists on watch lists in this country? Do we have over six hundred M15 active investigations on possible fascist conspiracies in this country? Nope.....but we get reactionaries finger pointing at people they don't like and calling them 'fascists' because that's what these losers like to do. Apparently you can arrest fascists in the Army, but communists in education or elsewhere? Nope, they get a pass apparently....and this is from a 'conservative' government? I hope these people were actually planning something because otherwise this is a thought crime and I regard that as very dangerous. Are these wallies writing articles about the actual real threats to this country.....Nope...because in truth they dislike this country.....especially after the Brexit vote. Well, tough cheese.....in democracies...you win some, you lose some. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Sep 2017 8.36am) Small point: The Communist Party isn't illegal but the party those right-wing nutjobs belong to is. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 12 Sep 17 9.46am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If far right people of organizations are planning attacks then they need to be arrested like anyone else.

Are there over twenty thousand fascists on watch lists in this country?

Do we have over six hundred M15 active investigations on possible fascist conspiracies in this country?

Nope.....but we get reactionaries finger pointing at people they don't like and calling them 'fascists' because that's what these losers like to do.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Sep 2017 8.36am)

Small point: The Communist Party isn't illegal but the party those right-wing nutjobs belong to is.

Big chest and massive boobs

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hedgehog50 Croydon 12 Sep 17 10.01am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Small point: The Communist Party isn't illegal but the party those right-wing nutjobs belong to is. But it should be. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 12 Sep 17 10.01am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Small point: The Communist Party isn't illegal but the party those right-wing nutjobs belong to is.

But it should be.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Sep 17 10.46am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays If far right people of organizations are planning attacks then they need to be arrested like anyone else. Are there over twenty thousand fascists on watch lists in this country? Do we have over six hundred M15 active investigations on possible fascist conspiracies in this country? Nope.....but we get reactionaries finger pointing at people they don't like and calling them 'fascists' because that's what these losers like to do. Apparently you can arrest fascists in the Army, but communists in education or elsewhere? Nope, they get a pass apparently....and this is from a 'conservative' government? I hope these people were actually planning something because otherwise this is a thought crime and I regard that as very dangerous. Are these wallies writing articles about the actual real threats to this country.....Nope...because in truth they dislike this country.....especially after the Brexit vote. Well, tough cheese.....in democracies...you win some, you lose some. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Sep 2017 8.36am) National Action is on the MI5 watchlist. About a third of their survellance is on left and right wing extrmist groups. And thats key here National Action is considered a potential terror threat. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 12 Sep 17 10.46am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If far right people of organizations are planning attacks then they need to be arrested like anyone else.

Are there over twenty thousand fascists on watch lists in this country?

Do we have over six hundred M15 active investigations on possible fascist conspiracies in this country?

Nope.....but we get reactionaries finger pointing at people they don't like and calling them 'fascists' because that's what these losers like to do.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Sep 2017 8.36am)

National Action is on the MI5 watchlist. About a third of their survellance is on left and right wing extrmist groups.

And thats key here National Action is considered a potential terror threat.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Sep 17 10.48am
Originally posted by hedgehog50 But it should be. You do know its not the same as the cccp etc and completely different than the communist party in your head. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 12 Sep 17 10.48am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

But it should be.

You do know its not the same as the cccp etc and completely different than the communist party in your head.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 12 Sep 17 11.03am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 You do know its not the same as the cccp etc and completely different than the communist party in your head. If its called communist, it might as well be called superfascist. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 12 Sep 17 11.03am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

You do know its not the same as the cccp etc and completely different than the communist party in your head.

If its called communist, it might as well be called superfascist.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Sep 17 11.17am
Originally posted by hedgehog50 If its called communist, it might as well be called superfascist. That's what I thought your reason was. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 12 Sep 17 11.17am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

If its called communist, it might as well be called superfascist.

That's what I thought your reason was.

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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Sep 17 11.35am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 You do know its not the same as the cccp etc and completely different than the communist party in your head. Hmmm. As with the far Right, the communist reach is curtailed by the those in the middle. Judging by opinions on here, it wouldn't take much for all those would be Karl Marx's to go full Russian revolution on us.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

You do know its not the same as the cccp etc and completely different than the communist party in your head.

Hmmm.

As with the far Right, the communist reach is curtailed by the those in the middle. Judging by opinions on here, it wouldn't take much for all those would be Karl Marx's to go full Russian revolution on us.

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