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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 09 Oct 17 6.34pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

What books that. How to live like a fifties gentleman?

I completely agree that significant females are an influence. Funny how you diss the whole of the world's male population though by not stressing the importance of a significant male either. You male oppressor you.

Edited by nickgusset (09 Oct 2017 6.18pm)

86% of lone parent families are headed by a female. Why do you think that is?

 


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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 09 Oct 17 6.41pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

If I were a toddler in the 80s I would've jumped at the chance to have been brought up Elton and David if the alternative was Fred and Rose West...or Richard and Judy.

 


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View Pikester's Profile Pikester Flag Worthing 09 Oct 17 6.58pm Send a Private Message to Pikester Add Pikester as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

If I were a toddler in the 80s I would've jumped at the chance to have been brought up Elton and David if the alternative was Fred and Rose West...or Richard and Judy.

Whereas JamieMartin would have jumped at the chance to have Fred West guide him through all those patio burying techniques.


Originally posted by Vaibow

It's the natural order to have a mum and dad, but so many families are broken up, wether it be divorce, death, separation, one night stands - fact is, i thin what the op is probably hinting too, the process to adapt kids, he may be saying that these two fitted the bill more because they were gay and it looks good, filling quota's than them actually saying 'hang on, you don't seem capable and then feared to be homophobic' which could be the case - not saying it is, but there are a lot of people who want to appear 'progressive' and take the easy option.

That's a very good point Vaibow. I sincerely hope this wasn't a case of a quota being met - but we know it does happen. When I applied for a job at HMRC I was told if I was disabled I'd be GUARANTEED an interview.

Perhaps being LGBT moves you up the pecking order? I hope not.
A shocking case either way.

 


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View elgrande's Profile elgrande Flag bedford 09 Oct 17 7.03pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by Pikester

That's a very good point Vaibow. I sincerely hope this wasn't a case of a quota being met - but we know it does happen. When I applied for a job at HMRC I was told if I was disabled I'd be GUARANTEED an interview.

Perhaps being LGBT moves you up the pecking order? I hope not.
A shocking case either way.

Positive discrimination..is still discrimination.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 09 Oct 17 7.56pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's certainly true that bad parents are bad parents regardless.....but I don't think anyone here would recommend giving a child to alcoholics to adopt......Rich parents have had their children raised by nannies and if your buck has paid for quality the result is often good.

Elton John and his partner no doubt do this themselves.....If I were a judge over this kind of thing. I would have a preference for male/female but the coupling would be less important than ensuring that a female presence was significant.

But the point is a valid one that a genuine loving relationship with the child is the most important thing.

This is always a percentage problem with any family....and significantly more so when adoption is a reality....Adopters need to be stable and committed people.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Oct 2017 6.23pm)

On face value, if I were in charge of such things, I would not allow same sex adoptions. My logic would be that the child's welfare is far more important than the wishes of a would be adopting parent. I would be very surprised if there was not some psychological price to pay for having same sex parents, especially men.

That said, the issue is whether the demand among different sex couples is sufficient to ensure that children are not spending years in care waiting to be adopted. In that case, there is an argument to allow same sex adoption.
I would certainly ban surrogacy for same sex couples and prioritise different sex couples followed by female couples over male couples.
Adoption is not about keeping couples happy. It is about the child.
The Elton John situation would never happen if I had anything to do with it, good parent or not.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 09 Oct 17 9.00pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

What a huge amount of opinion without any evidence.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 09 Oct 17 9.02pm

All these arguements are somewhat pointless as adopted kids arent from any kind of ideal social environment or typical from perfect parents. Most kids in the care system would be better off with one decent parent irrespective of gender or sexual orientatiom

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 09 Oct 17 9.03pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

What a huge amount of opinion without any evidence.

None of them listen to the Archers I reckon.
There s a gay couple / surrogacy storyline going on at the moment.

 

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View Vaibow's Profile Vaibow Flag vancouver/croydon 09 Oct 17 9.03pm Send a Private Message to Vaibow Add Vaibow as a friend

Originally posted by Pikester

That's a very good point Vaibow. I sincerely hope this wasn't a case of a quota being met - but we know it does happen. When I applied for a job at HMRC I was told if I was disabled I'd be GUARANTEED an interview.

Perhaps being LGBT moves you up the pecking order? I hope not.
A shocking case either way.

We've all seen/experienced positive discrimination wether they are old, young, diff skin colour or sexual preference - i can think of an example for each - not saying it's right, but it goes on.

It's interesting that some posters feel there is a disadvantage being raised by two dads - there may well be, but it's the lesser of two evils in some instances, so to speak. I think the more people look into things, the more we label or demand 'social justice' the more divided we become.
Let's just be good people and make that our focus - then handle each instance separately - rather than demanding we all adapt.
It's like where i work, they have now a non gender wash room, made a big deal of it, made everyone aware - designed a special logo for it.
Why couldn't there be a toilet just literally called 'washroom' and anyone use it, that way it's not highlighting a non issue.
When a bad cop uses excessive force, it's a bad cop - when a criminal is caught, it's just that - lol i am going off on a rant but you get the picture

 


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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 09 Oct 17 9.15pm

Originally posted by Pikester

That's a very good point Vaibow. I sincerely hope this wasn't a case of a quota being met - but we know it does happen. When I applied for a job at HMRC I was told if I was disabled I'd be GUARANTEED an interview.

Perhaps being LGBT moves you up the pecking order? I hope not.
A shocking case either way.

Tick the LBGT box and have an "Epiphany" 2 weeks into the role after probation.

A bit of a Willo-ism, but straight from a FTSE100 CEO.

More HR rubbish.

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 09 Oct 17 10.16pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by elgrande

Positive discrimination..is still discrimination.

And is, of course, illegal.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 09 Oct 17 10.29pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

And is, of course, illegal.

What were all-women shortlists if not positive discrimination?

 


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