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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 03 Apr 23 11.13am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

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Surprised this hasn't been mentioned in N&P yet.

An absolutely groundbreaking development with the PM suggesting 'political correctness' has stifled any necessary action being taken against 'Asian Grooming Gangs'. I'm sure there are many who are completely shocked to learn that the nonsensical, sensationalised, dogmatic ideologies of the left have had a massively detrimental affect on society. Who'd of thought it?

 


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Originally posted by Nicholas91

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Surprised this hasn't been mentioned in N&P yet.

An absolutely groundbreaking development with the PM suggesting 'political correctness' has stifled any necessary action being taken against 'Asian Grooming Gangs'. I'm sure there are many who are completely shocked to learn that the nonsensical, sensationalised, dogmatic ideologies of the left have had a massively detrimental affect on society. Who'd of thought it?

We must be approaching election time.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 03 Apr 23 1.05pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

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Surprised this hasn't been mentioned in N&P yet.

An absolutely groundbreaking development with the PM suggesting 'political correctness' has stifled any necessary action being taken against 'Asian Grooming Gangs'. I'm sure there are many who are completely shocked to learn that the nonsensical, sensationalised, dogmatic ideologies of the left have had a massively detrimental affect on society. Who'd of thought it?

Whilst I have no problem at all with trying to do everything possible to eradicate this evil, and see the perpetrators behind bars, this feels like headline grabbing, rather than actual policy.

Unless the appropriate level of resource is committed, both police and social service, with training and co-ordination established, all of which takes time and money, unless other areas are going to be reduced, these types of comments have the potential to make things worse, not better.

Accusing Councils of failures when they have been starved of funding by a Tory government who have been in power for 13 years is just playing the blame game. The leadership on this, as on everything, needs to come centrally.

What does being "politically correct" actually mean? If anyone just applies dogma for its own sake then it deserves the utmost condemnation. If however local communities are being handled sensitively the better to gain their trust and avoid them feeling victimised and less willing to protect the criminals in their midst, then this isn't "political correctness". It's thoughtful tactics.

There are far too many who think this is just a simple matter of rounding up criminals and locking them up. I wish it was, but it isn't.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Whilst I have no problem at all with trying to do everything possible to eradicate this evil, and see the perpetrators behind bars, this feels like headline grabbing, rather than actual policy.

Unless the appropriate level of resource is committed, both police and social service, with training and co-ordination established, all of which takes time and money, unless other areas are going to be reduced, these types of comments have the potential to make things worse, not better.

Accusing Councils of failures when they have been starved of funding by a Tory government who have been in power for 13 years is just playing the blame game. The leadership on this, as on everything, needs to come centrally.

What does being "politically correct" actually mean? If anyone just applies dogma for its own sake then it deserves the utmost condemnation. If however local communities are being handled sensitively the better to gain their trust and avoid them feeling victimised and less willing to protect the criminals in their midst, then this isn't "political correctness". It's thoughtful tactics.

There are far too many who think this is just a simple matter of rounding up criminals and locking them up. I wish it was, but it isn't.

What a disgrace you are. You try to score political points in the raping of children by pakistani gangs. The police and local authorities have admitted that they turned a blind-eye due to fear of appearing racist. It has nothing whatsoever to do with funding.

 

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Originally posted by Nicholas91

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Surprised this hasn't been mentioned in N&P yet.

An absolutely groundbreaking development with the PM suggesting 'political correctness' has stifled any necessary action being taken against 'Asian Grooming Gangs'. I'm sure there are many who are completely shocked to learn that the nonsensical, sensationalised, dogmatic ideologies of the left have had a massively detrimental affect on society. Who'd of thought it?

They introduced not reporting suspected abuse as a crime in Ireland some time ago. It puts a lot of pressure on people such as teachers and social workers but it does ensure a lot more is reported. I believe there have been maybe one or two prosecutions for not reporting.

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 03 Apr 23 2.16pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Whilst I have no problem at all with trying to do everything possible to eradicate this evil, and see the perpetrators behind bars, this feels like headline grabbing, rather than actual policy.

Unless the appropriate level of resource is committed, both police and social service, with training and co-ordination established, all of which takes time and money, unless other areas are going to be reduced, these types of comments have the potential to make things worse, not better.

Accusing Councils of failures when they have been starved of funding by a Tory government who have been in power for 13 years is just playing the blame game. The leadership on this, as on everything, needs to come centrally.

What does being "politically correct" actually mean? If anyone just applies dogma for its own sake then it deserves the utmost condemnation. If however local communities are being handled sensitively the better to gain their trust and avoid them feeling victimised and less willing to protect the criminals in their midst, then this isn't "political correctness". It's thoughtful tactics.

There are far too many who think this is just a simple matter of rounding up criminals and locking them up. I wish it was, but it isn't.

I think it unwise to not view this at first glance as 'headline grabbing', it does almost seem Tommy Robinson-esque in trying to rally certain sections of society which is far from useful and probably an attempt from Rishi et al to distract from other failings. Cynical yes but not without merit or indeed evidence (Rwanda) as a stance.

As for political correctness, it almost certainly looks to have been that. The divide here of course is not to let the pendulum swing to far the other way. This has been TR/SYL's problem as he identifies the problem but then has relied on the support of those who are incorrect in the approach to a solution - on the other side of the spectrum. There's a difference, for me, in objectively saying 'this is a massive problem it needs dealing with' and therefore handling it 'sensitively' by not paving the way for idiots to hijack but I would suggest it could not be described as 'sensitive' when you just ignore it/sweep it under the carpet. If communities are secure in their moral standing (against child abuse of any kind let alone this abomination) they should have no problem in opening up to authorities and actively backing any investigation. Equally, if the law had any faith in itself it should be able to investigate such matters appropriately without looking over their shoulders. I suspect one if not both of those things to not be the case.

As for 'time and resources' and 'this type of comment' no, sorry that's ridiculous. This should be right up their in terms of what the public want to see therefore any comment advocating appropriate action should be entirely without criticism and equally funding should be committed without discussion.

Politically correct is a reference to where nonsensical application is gifted to illogical sentiments such as allowing the abuse of children to be superseded by a desire to falsely project a delusional fantasy supporting ideology - a multicultural utopia where anything even remotely related to race, religion or else goes unacknowledged as though it is of no relevance. It's on the exact same wavelength as pretending that one group of people is automatically superior to another. Devoid of logic, common sense and extremely dangerous to society. It's nothing more than bowing to zeitgeists and therefore correctly aligned to the politics of the day - 'correct'.

Edited by Nicholas91 (03 Apr 2023 2.19pm)

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 03 Apr 23 7.57pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

What a disgrace you are. You try to score political points in the raping of children by pakistani gangs. The police and local authorities have admitted that they turned a blind-eye due to fear of appearing racist. It has nothing whatsoever to do with funding.


The disgrace is all yours, for suggesting I am just making political points. I am doing no such thing.

I couldn't have been any clearer in my condemnation of the criminal activities of the gangs.

The enquiries into the way this has been handled have identified failings and elicited apologies, but I would bet those making them had other things to say in private. The police forces and authorities all responded in much the same way. That doesn't happen by chance or in a vacuum. There must have been a national strategy in place. It's the only logical conclusion. Who would be responsible for such a strategy?

That's not a political point! I would make exactly the same observation who-ever was in government. Indeed, maybe it was initially devised during the Blair years. What is certain is that the police and local authorities have both been squeezed in recent years, so whilst they may well have wanted to commit more resources, they simply didn't have them.

To truly solve this problem we need to be honest about it. Just blowing hot air at it (or me) might make you feel better, but it does nothing else. Obtaining admissible evidence, and not just hearsay, is the first priority and that's not as easy as some seem to think. Speeding up the Court system is the second. Some cases take more than 2 years to come to trial.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 03 Apr 23 7.58pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

They introduced not reporting suspected abuse as a crime in Ireland some time ago. It puts a lot of pressure on people such as teachers and social workers but it does ensure a lot more is reported. I believe there have been maybe one or two prosecutions for not reporting.

I was surprised to know it wasn't already a crime. It seems so obvious to me.

 


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Originally posted by Nicholas91

I think it unwise to not view this at first glance as 'headline grabbing', it does almost seem Tommy Robinson-esque in trying to rally certain sections of society which is far from useful and probably an attempt from Rishi et al to distract from other failings. Cynical yes but not without merit or indeed evidence (Rwanda) as a stance.

As for political correctness, it almost certainly looks to have been that. The divide here of course is not to let the pendulum swing to far the other way. This has been TR/SYL's problem as he identifies the problem but then has relied on the support of those who are incorrect in the approach to a solution - on the other side of the spectrum. There's a difference, for me, in objectively saying 'this is a massive problem it needs dealing with' and therefore handling it 'sensitively' by not paving the way for idiots to hijack but I would suggest it could not be described as 'sensitive' when you just ignore it/sweep it under the carpet. If communities are secure in their moral standing (against child abuse of any kind let alone this abomination) they should have no problem in opening up to authorities and actively backing any investigation. Equally, if the law had any faith in itself it should be able to investigate such matters appropriately without looking over their shoulders. I suspect one if not both of those things to not be the case.

As for 'time and resources' and 'this type of comment' no, sorry that's ridiculous. This should be right up their in terms of what the public want to see therefore any comment advocating appropriate action should be entirely without criticism and equally funding should be committed without discussion.

Politically correct is a reference to where nonsensical application is gifted to illogical sentiments such as allowing the abuse of children to be superseded by a desire to falsely project a delusional fantasy supporting ideology - a multicultural utopia where anything even remotely related to race, religion or else goes unacknowledged as though it is of no relevance. It's on the exact same wavelength as pretending that one group of people is automatically superior to another. Devoid of logic, common sense and extremely dangerous to society. It's nothing more than bowing to zeitgeists and therefore correctly aligned to the politics of the day - 'correct'.

Edited by Nicholas91 (03 Apr 2023 2.19pm)

Just to be clear, what I meant by that were the comments by Sunak. Which I agree with you look like populist diversionary tactics. I thought we had put that behind us. I am concerned that nothing will actually change but could make things more difficult for the police to get the co-operation needed.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle


The disgrace is all yours, for suggesting I am just making political points. I am doing no such thing.

I couldn't have been any clearer in my condemnation of the criminal activities of the gangs.

The enquiries into the way this has been handled have identified failings and elicited apologies, but I would bet those making them had other things to say in private. The police forces and authorities all responded in much the same way. That doesn't happen by chance or in a vacuum. There must have been a national strategy in place. It's the only logical conclusion. Who would be responsible for such a strategy?

That's not a political point! I would make exactly the same observation who-ever was in government. Indeed, maybe it was initially devised during the Blair years. What is certain is that the police and local authorities have both been squeezed in recent years, so whilst they may well have wanted to commit more resources, they simply didn't have them.

To truly solve this problem we need to be honest about it. Just blowing hot air at it (or me) might make you feel better, but it does nothing else. Obtaining admissible evidence, and not just hearsay, is the first priority and that's not as easy as some seem to think. Speeding up the Court system is the second. Some cases take more than 2 years to come to trial.

Why must it have been a strategic decision? It's more likely a response to perceived public opinion. Like political leaders inability, or unwillingness, to define "a woman".

 

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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Why must it have been a strategic decision? It's more likely a response to perceived public opinion. Like political leaders inability, or unwillingness, to define "a woman".

I doubt that. If the strategy was to adopt a long term softly, softly approach, to gain the trust and support of local communities so that the really evil ones could be rooted out, and the impressionable younger ones reeducated, I don't think public opinion would have supported it.

Political leaders have had the ability, and willingness, to define a woman. It's probably though not your definition. That's what leaders of opinion need to do and why our representatives need to be free to take decisions they consider in our ultimate interest, and not simply deliver what we want. Leaders need to lead. Not to follow.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I doubt that. If the strategy was to adopt a long term softly, softly approach, to gain the trust and support of local communities so that the really evil ones could be rooted out, and the impressionable younger ones reeducated, I don't think public opinion would have supported it.

Political leaders have had the ability, and willingness, to define a woman. It's probably though not your definition. That's what leaders of opinion need to do and why our representatives need to be free to take decisions they consider in our ultimate interest, and not simply deliver what we want. Leaders need to lead. Not to follow.

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It's in our interest to not know what a woman is? How does that work then?

 

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