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 Hrolf The Ganger  19 Apr 18 9.28am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The hostile immigration environment Theresa May set out to create when she was at the Home Office was regarded by some ministers as “almost reminiscent of Nazi Germany” in the way it is working, the former head of the civil service, Lord Kerslake, has said. So much for 'oversights' and 'clerical errors'........ Do give it a rest.
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| Stuk Top half 19 Apr 18 11.41am |
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Originally posted by npn
1. Administrative cock-up in the 70s leaving the Windrush dependents without documentation proving their right to remain (I'd have gone further and granted them all citizenship, but that's just me) 2. May's adoption of an aggressive environment for illegal immigrants - that, in my opinion, is a completely correct policy. illegals should be feeling unwelcome and under threat of deportation, and there should be at least some level of responsibility on employers to ensure the people they are hiring are legal residents. The point is that (as in 1) these people should not be showing as illegals If 1 hadn't happened, 2 is not an issue. It seems there are attempts from all over the place to make this party political, whereas it's been an issue, unaddressed by any side, for over 40 years, it's just more robust policing of illegals has brought it to the fore and it should hopefully now be addressed (finally) Yep. Good post.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 19 Apr 18 12.49pm |
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Originally posted by npn
1. Administrative cock-up in the 70s leaving the Windrush dependents without documentation proving their right to remain (I'd have gone further and granted them all citizenship, but that's just me) 2. May's adoption of an aggressive environment for illegal immigrants - that, in my opinion, is a completely correct policy. illegals should be feeling unwelcome and under threat of deportation, and there should be at least some level of responsibility on employers to ensure the people they are hiring are legal residents. The point is that (as in 1) these people should not be showing as illegals If 1 hadn't happened, 2 is not an issue. It seems there are attempts from all over the place to make this party political, whereas it's been an issue, unaddressed by any side, for over 40 years, it's just more robust policing of illegals has brought it to the fore and it should hopefully now be addressed (finally) Excellent post. The real issue here is a bad decision made in the 1970s by the government that has only come light now because of the crack down on illegals. The lesson to be learned is that people (not their fault) should not be allowed to settle in this country without proper documentation. We need a robust policy for EU Citizens post Brexit. We want a policy that is fair, easy to implement and understand. We must make it clear that every EU citizen who wishes to stay must register. We must bombard TV, Radio, Newspapers and social media explaining their rights and how they can apply for residency. The policy should be so good that in 10 years time if someone claims they didn't register because (insert reason) that a judge will say that is on you and not the government who did everything in their power to tell people to register. However I am not brimming with confidence the Home Office does not have a good track record.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 19 Apr 18 2.02pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The hostile immigration environment Theresa May set out to create when she was at the Home Office was regarded by some ministers as “almost reminiscent of Nazi Germany” in the way it is working, the former head of the civil service, Lord Kerslake, has said. So much for 'oversights' and 'clerical errors'........
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| becky over the moon 19 Apr 18 6.27pm |
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Now, I'm doubtless going to be shot down in flames and sent to hell for asking this..... but how come these people themselves didn't ever forsee a problem? If they came over with/following their parents in the 50's/60's, they must have either a)had their own passports or b) been included on their parents passports -all of which would have been issued by their country of origin, and stamped with right to stay visas. Now, given the regularity with which so many of these families' go 'home' for family events and holidays, at some point, one would have assumed some of these children would have either had to renew their passports, again renewal being by the country of origin, or actually obtained one in their own names (rather than being on their parents ones), again having to issued by their country of birth if they hadn't taken British citizenship. Unless they all stayed here after they arrived and never, ever went abroad again, someone, somewhere must have realised there was a problem in the making, surely?
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| Badger11 Beckenham 19 Apr 18 7.03pm |
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Originally posted by becky
Now, I'm doubtless going to be shot down in flames and sent to hell for asking this..... but how come these people themselves didn't ever forsee a problem? If they came over with/following their parents in the 50's/60's, they must have either a)had their own passports or b) been included on their parents passports -all of which would have been issued by their country of origin, and stamped with right to stay visas. Now, given the regularity with which so many of these families' go 'home' for family events and holidays, at some point, one would have assumed some of these children would have either had to renew their passports, again renewal being by the country of origin, or actually obtained one in their own names (rather than being on their parents ones), again having to issued by their country of birth if they hadn't taken British citizenship. Unless they all stayed here after they arrived and never, ever went abroad again, someone, somewhere must have realised there was a problem in the making, surely? I was wondering the same thing Becky. I can alone assume that these folk haven't tried to leave the country before or if they did it was on their original passport and they had no problem returning. I know someone who was originally from Nigeria grew up here and still had a Nigerian passport well into his thirties. He only took out British citizenship after he had a row at the embassy when they guy demanded a bung for reviewing his passport.
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| Stuk Top half 19 Apr 18 8.18pm |
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Originally posted by becky
Now, I'm doubtless going to be shot down in flames and sent to hell for asking this..... but how come these people themselves didn't ever forsee a problem? If they came over with/following their parents in the 50's/60's, they must have either a)had their own passports or b) been included on their parents passports -all of which would have been issued by their country of origin, and stamped with right to stay visas. Now, given the regularity with which so many of these families' go 'home' for family events and holidays, at some point, one would have assumed some of these children would have either had to renew their passports, again renewal being by the country of origin, or actually obtained one in their own names (rather than being on their parents ones), again having to issued by their country of birth if they hadn't taken British citizenship. Unless they all stayed here after they arrived and never, ever went abroad again, someone, somewhere must have realised there was a problem in the making, surely? Some very good points. I'm sure there will be some that have never left the country since arriving or being born here but they'll not be in the majority of cases. People in general don't want to take ownership of things though. While on a completely different level, if you look at PPI claims for example people are outraged that they were daft enough to pay for something they didn't need. But if someone tells them there's a refund or compensation on the card they pay attention.
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| Stirlingsays 21 Apr 18 6.56am |
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Theresa May has confirmed that members of the Windrush generation who have been treated 'unfairly' by the Home Office will be compensated. This woman isn't a real Tory. She's a joke. Of course, you are going to get every sob story under t he sun now. Every conceivable case will try their hand. Grenada's Prime Minister Keith Mitchell has also called for 'serious compensation'....even talking about it extending to families related to the person. If someone has actually been deported then yeah.....compensation is fair enough.....However, I'd imagine that this opens a can of worms and is poor thinking....badly handled deportations are likely to go back a long way.....it's putting an historic burden onto the modern taxpayer for mistakes by previous administrations. Still, May and her ridiculous minister has gone further than compensation for deportation....it's for anxiety as well......So we are now going to compensate people for the anxiety of being treated 'unfairly' by the state. Can be have compensation for every time the police arrest someone only to release them uncharged......pretty stressful that. Can be have compensation for every time the police stop someone for a search and come up empty......pretty stressful that. Where's the cut off point?....hell, why not bring it lower....what's the argument against that....you must all be fascists!! Can be have compensation for every time some state institution send you a threatening letter that's also unfair...say their position on your tax is wrong or say your child's school attendance is under 95 percent due to illness and you're threatened with a fine. I can't stand May....awful, awful. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Apr 2018 7.04am)
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| becky over the moon 21 Apr 18 7.41am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Theresa May has confirmed that members of the Windrush generation who have been treated 'unfairly' by the Home Office will be compensated. This woman isn't a real Tory. She's a joke. Of course, you are going to get every sob story under t he sun now. Every conceivable case will try their hand. Grenada's Prime Minister Keith Mitchell has also called for 'serious compensation'....even talking about it extending to families related to the person. If someone has actually been deported then yeah.....compensation is fair enough.....However, I'd imagine that this opens a can of worms and is poor thinking....badly handled deportations are likely to go back a long way.....it's putting an historic burden onto the modern taxpayer for mistakes by previous administrations. Still, May and her ridiculous minister has gone further than compensation for deportation....it's for anxiety as well......So we are now going to compensate people for the anxiety of being treated 'unfairly' by the state. Can be have compensation for every time the police arrest someone only to release them uncharged......pretty stressful that. Can be have compensation for every time the police stop someone for a search and come up empty......pretty stressful that. Where's the cut off point?....hell, why not bring it lower....what's the argument against that....you must all be fascists!! Can be have compensation for every time some state institution send you a threatening letter that's also unfair...say their position on your tax is wrong or say your child's school attendance is under 95 percent due to illness and you're threatened with a fine. I can't stand May....awful, awful. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Apr 2018 7.04am) It'll be ok - we pay them the compensation and then send the bills to THEIR High Commissions/Embassies/Consulates, whose job it is to look after the rights of their citizens abroad
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| steeleye20 Croydon 21 Apr 18 8.14am |
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The PM won't buy off her guilt at ruining so many lives. Ruined by the naked political ambition of herself first and her successor who boasted of their treatment. Perhaps she will send them some tupperware with her initials on. A few years ago I saw a Windrush lady being restrained for deportation and she had a heart attack and died, the shock killed her. It was disgusting. A life caring for others in the NHS just retired, uncomprehending, it could not be happening to her. And subsequently found completely blameless an upright British citizen. It is etched in my memory, like something you can imagine in Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia, happening here I was ashamed. I kept it to myself mainly as if I did unburden myself then people were just completely unbelieving that such a thing could happen here. 'She obviously didn't fill the form in correctly which we don't send out any more as she is not in the system after we destroyed the records.' They were in the eyes of officials ministers and their lackeys, non-people.
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| Stirlingsays 21 Apr 18 9.57am |
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Originally posted by becky
It'll be ok - we pay them the compensation and then send the bills to THEIR High Commissions/Embassies/Consulates, whose job it is to look after the rights of their citizens abroad
Seems to me that the Tories need to take back the Tory party.
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| Stirlingsays 21 Apr 18 10.06am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
It is etched in my memory, like something you can imagine in Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia, happening here I was ashamed. If they find evidence that this has happened then it's an administrative mistake from past administrations. It is disgusting to compare administrative mistakes to deliberate actions to murder millions of people based upon their class or religion. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Apr 2018 10.06am)
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