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 Mapletree  Croydon 25 Apr 18 10.51pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I can remember PC Keith Blakelock and no one rightly called for this kind of thing. 20 rioters inflicted 43 stab wounds and attempted to decapitate Blakelock, who was left with a knife embedded in his neck. How is May still a Tory leader? I know it's about Brexit but she is so awful. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Apr 2018 6.34pm) You may wish to check the decapitate point. Nevertheless a truly shocking outrage.
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| Stirlingsays 25 Apr 18 11.01pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
You may wish to check the decapitate point. Nevertheless a truly shocking outrage. Expand what you mean by that. It was an exact quote from the Wikipedia article. I'll reply to your nonsense on Lawrence at some point over the next few days.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 25 Apr 18 11.06pm |
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Originally posted by pefwin
I would agree with that as well. you back ? being agreeable ? and for how long will that last before you start calling everybody stupid/racist/bigot/etc etc ? you have a history on here, and it has not been forgotten. i recommend you stick to the football topics for at least a year, and then we may consider you to be redeemed. the politics rants on the politics subjects are tedious. Stephen Lawrence, RiP. At a time when London has got really violent, lets all light a candle for change.
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| Midlands Eagle 26 Apr 18 7.12am |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
you back ? being agreeable ? and for how long will that last before you start calling everybody stupid/racist/bigot/etc etc ? you have a history on here, and it has not been forgotten. i recommend you stick to the football topics for at least a year, and then we may consider you to be redeemed. the politics rants on the politics subjects are tedious. How about you sticking to the topic for a year before trying to moderate others
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| Hrolf The Ganger 26 Apr 18 11.23am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Tory politicians not Labour. We had law and order under Tony Blair. We had good public services, police on the streets (down by 20%) a policy of 'tough on crime and it's causes'. Labour did a good job at least containing crime.
Both parties have to shoulder responsibility for the fact that we now have a country full of murderous scum. They would both rather resort to pandering tokenisms and propaganda than face up to reality.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 26 Apr 18 11.28am |
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Nothing to do with immigration or the removal of police powers to pander to minorities. Wake up people.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Apr 18 11.35am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Wake up people. They can't wake up. Their own belief systems are built upon how they think things should be and not how they are. They are in denial over the extent of human nature and think it can be molded....'if we just do the right thing'. No matter what the evidence is, they will always react with 'feels' rather than reason. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Apr 2018 11.36am)
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| Stirlingsays 26 Apr 18 3.38pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
In what way is Mrs Lawrence truly awful? My understanding of the situation is that her son - an innocent and decent young man as far as I can see - was randomly attacked because he was black. The Police then did a truly dreadful job of investigating The Lawrences, who are pretty bright, would not let it rest and pressed hard in order to discover the string of errors made. They then started to ask why these errors were made. Turns out it was because - at the time - many Police officers had pre-set opinions about black youths and just didn't choose to do a proper job. This then led eventually to an independent review and the huge conclusion that the Police in general suffered from institutional racism The DCCs I worked with knew their Constabularies had this problem and needed major change long beforehand but had been struggling to address the issues. So what, in your opinion, makes the Police so special that they are immune from having to change and adapt? And by the way, don't forget that the Officers involved are being investigated by the NCA under the direction of the IOPC. So not just incompetent and uncaring, potentially complicit and criminal. It is interesting that you consider turning this particular rock has inflicted 'damage' upon the Police service. Without the persistence of the Lawrences the Police would have changed far slower and the DCCs would have had much less leverage to make the changes. Regarding OBEs. So you mean that the Queen really doesn't make her own mind up? Who'd a thought it. It's almost as if you don't think the monarchy is relevant any more - you young people with your lack of respect, grrr. In fact, OBEs are determined through a comprehensive process involving a variety of civil servants but - in the majority - notable independent people. They then go through a second independent review. It's such a shame these people aren't as clever or free thinking as you but there you are. But do make a recommendation for who you would like to see get an OBE, Tommy Robinson springs to mind. About a quarter of OBEs are awarded due to public nominations. By the way, a word to the wise. As a teacher it may be helpful for you to know the difference between effect and affect. Edited by Mapletree (25 Apr 2018 9.05pm) Mrs Lawrence is a awful woman…..Well, I don’t know her personally but I can see the effect she has helped produce on our Police force. The case of her murdered son has had terrible repercussions. It has produced unproven smears that literally can’t be proven yet have been accepted and allowed to stand and it has produced legal devices that operate to this day and have worsened the crime rate. Institutionalised racism was the verdict from the Macpherson report. A report that slurred the Police yet has zero proof for any of its claims. It was an upper class trashing of public institutions filled with the lower middle and working class…..that none of these toffs would let their kids anywhere near. The politicians and left hailed the report because it meant they could point fingers and be seen to be caring about ‘racism’. The reality is that this report has damaged the Police and make policing not only harder but increased crime…..for example, it’s through the nonsense claims of racism that pillocks like May criticised ‘stop and search’ and reduced it….leading to increases in crime. It’s due to cries of racism and the scars that the Police now have that meant that Police were reluctant to investigate rape gangs….indeed leading the rape of thousands of girls over decades now. All the fault of do gooders who thought they were fighting injustice when instead really they were building the road to hell. I will again make the point that as the mother of a murdered son, she was entitled to the full efforts of the law in providing justice. However, she has been quick to accuse the Police of racism instead of incompetence in handling this case and in general.. Really? So when it’s a white person where the Police screw up it’s not racism but when it’s a black person, it’s racism. It’s weak logic and unproven and quite frankly a slur. There are always bad apples in every organisation however, the claim that an institution is inherently biased against whole groups is ridiculous and again completely unproven. The Police have spent untold riches investigating this one case compared to what…..how much did they spend on all the other botched cases…...She gained from unfair exposure and kid gloves purely because of the race card being played by leftists and agendaed politicians. Awful people like her. She deserved justice but not better treatment to any other family in this situation, and that is what she has received. She is walking about with an OBE and is in the Lords. It’s a frigging joke and as I say, evidence of nothing but a misplaced racial guilt. I notice you have still not answered my request for clarification on your point concerning PC Blakelock. Lets look at the difference, both in sentencing and assistance the state has provided and treatment there of between the awful Mrs Lawrence and the wife and family of the murdered Philip Lawrence. It could be also be said of PC Blakelock’s family and many others.
However, there are significant problems with the ‘implicit bias’ narrative and the extent of the claims that it makes. Here is a video from a respected source detailing them. To amplify some of the points made. Correlation does not equal causation. A whole industry has been built upon these claims....and as I have said, institutions changed and altered based upon its assumptions. They are much less effective and as far as I can tell....all down to misplaced and unfair racial guilt Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Apr 2018 3.43pm)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 26 Apr 18 4.32pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Mrs Lawrence is a awful woman…..Well, I don’t know her personally but I can see the effect she has helped produce on our Police force. The case of her murdered son has had terrible repercussions. It has produced unproven smears that literally can’t be proven yet have been accepted and allowed to stand and it has produced legal devices that operate to this day and have worsened the crime rate. Institutionalised racism was the verdict from the Macpherson report. A report that slurred the Police yet has zero proof for any of its claims. It was an upper class trashing of public institutions filled with the lower middle and working class…..that none of these toffs would let their kids anywhere near. The politicians and left hailed the report because it meant they could point fingers and be seen to be caring about ‘racism’. The reality is that this report has damaged the Police and make policing not only harder but increased crime…..for example, it’s through the nonsense claims of racism that pillocks like May criticised ‘stop and search’ and reduced it….leading to increases in crime. It’s due to cries of racism and the scars that the Police now have that meant that Police were reluctant to investigate rape gangs….indeed leading the rape of thousands of girls over decades now. All the fault of do gooders who thought they were fighting injustice when instead really they were building the road to hell. I will again make the point that as the mother of a murdered son, she was entitled to the full efforts of the law in providing justice. However, she has been quick to accuse the Police of racism instead of incompetence in handling this case and in general.. Really? So when it’s a white person where the Police screw up it’s not racism but when it’s a black person, it’s racism. It’s weak logic and unproven and quite frankly a slur. There are always bad apples in every organisation however, the claim that an institution is inherently biased against whole groups is ridiculous and again completely unproven. The Police have spent untold riches investigating this one case compared to what…..how much did they spend on all the other botched cases…...She gained from unfair exposure and kid gloves purely because of the race card being played by leftists and agendaed politicians. Awful people like her. She deserved justice but not better treatment to any other family in this situation, and that is what she has received. She is walking about with an OBE and is in the Lords. It’s a frigging joke and as I say, evidence of nothing but a misplaced racial guilt. I notice you have still not answered my request for clarification on your point concerning PC Blakelock. Lets look at the difference, both in sentencing and assistance the state has provided and treatment there of between the awful Mrs Lawrence and the wife and family of the murdered Philip Lawrence. It could be also be said of PC Blakelock’s family and many others.
However, there are significant problems with the ‘implicit bias’ narrative and the extent of the claims that it makes. Here is a video from a respected source detailing them. To amplify some of the points made. Correlation does not equal causation. A whole industry has been built upon these claims....and as I have said, institutions changed and altered based upon its assumptions. They are much less effective and as far as I can tell....all down to misplaced and unfair racial guilt Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Apr 2018 3.43pm) My favourite expression from the left "Unconscious bias". To me it means "I want to call you a racist because I don't like your politics. However you have not said or done anything I can prove. Yet you are still guilty now apologise and pay compensation".
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 26 Apr 18 5.45pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Both parties have to shoulder responsibility for the fact that we now have a country full of murderous scum. They would both rather resort to pandering tokenisms and propaganda than face up to reality. Strong whiff of hyperbole, but I agree with your essential point here. 20 years of government obsessed with power for its own sake, short term vote capture and enrichment of their mates, with nowhere near enough care for the medium and long term outlook for the country.
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| Mapletree Croydon 26 Apr 18 8.32pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Expand what you mean by that. It was an exact quote from the Wikipedia article. I'll reply to your nonsense on Lawrence at some point over the next few days. The Daily Mail journalist, in his book A Climate of Fear: The murder of PC Blakelock and the Tottenham Three states that the autopsy found no evidence of an attempt at beheading. What it found was indeed horrific in the extreme and I don't wish to expand. The Press appear to have copied each other in their reporting as usual. The witness statements about what was said are clear but it seems likely that either nobody really had the guts to do such a thing or that PC Blakelock was pulled away before they could. The accounts of a few brave men against a mob of cowards are deeply stirring.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Apr 18 8.35pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
The Daily Mail journalist, in his book A Climate of Fear: The murder of PC Blakelock and the Tottenham Three states that the autopsy found no evidence of an attempt at beheading. What it found was indeed horrific in the extreme and I don't wish to expand. The Press appear to have copied each other in their reporting as usual. The witness statements about what was said are clear but it seems likely that either nobody really had the guts to do such a thing or that PC Blakelock was pulled away before they could. The accounts of a few brave men against a mob of cowards are deeply stirring. Interesting, and thanks for your response.
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