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Pussay Patrol Flag 23 Sep 18 3.38pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Not a great fight at all.

I'm not sure if Joshua holds back but he is ponderous and looks afraid of getting hit. Povetkin was past his best but looked a skillful boxer until got caught.

Tyson Fury looks half the fighter he was and I'm sure he is taking the Wilder fight for money only, knowing full well that only a knockout will see him victorious. After being out of the ring for so long, I can't see that happening.

To compensate for another average display, I recommend watching Mike Tyson's knockouts followed by Larry Holmes V Ken Norton and then Ali V Frasier 3.

sounds like you don't know a great deal about boxing

Firstly Povetkin was a worthy opponent and was never going to be a pushover, he was the WBA's No.1 challenger. He had a good inside attack and his gameplan was to try and get inside Joshua and connect. Joshua's plan was to not get too open and allow Povetkin in, work the jab and wear him down in the later rounds when he faded and that is exactly what happened. It was good defensive boxing - He is the champion so he doesn't have to go looking for the KO

Watching early Tyson fights isn't good boxing, he was just a destroyer who steamrollered everyone. In his later career when he lost his edge he was cruelly exposed as someone who couldn't box and even lost to some total bums

 


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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

sounds like you don't know a great deal about boxing

Firstly Povetkin was a worthy opponent and was never going to be a pushover, he was the WBA's No.1 challenger. He had a good inside attack and his gameplan was to try and get inside Joshua and connect. Joshua's plan was to not get too open and allow Povetkin in, work the jab and wear him down in the later rounds when he faded and that is exactly what happened. It was good defensive boxing - He is the champion so he doesn't have to go looking for the KO

Watching early Tyson fights isn't good boxing, he was just a destroyer who steamrollered everyone. In his later career when he lost his edge he was cruelly exposed as someone who couldn't box and even lost to some total bums

I concur with these sentiments.

Just like to add that Joshua didn't appear as relaxed as he normally is in his way to the ring and before the first bell and he appeared to be stung by an early Povetkin 'Shot'.

In the end he stopped Povetkin which no other boxer has done so credit to AJ.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 23 Sep 18 4.10pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

sounds like you don't know a great deal about boxing

Firstly Povetkin was a worthy opponent and was never going to be a pushover, he was the WBA's No.1 challenger. He had a good inside attack and his gameplan was to try and get inside Joshua and connect. Joshua's plan was to not get too open and allow Povetkin in, work the jab and wear him down in the later rounds when he faded and that is exactly what happened. It was good defensive boxing - He is the champion so he doesn't have to go looking for the KO

Watching early Tyson fights isn't good boxing, he was just a destroyer who steamrollered everyone. In his later career when he lost his edge he was cruelly exposed as someone who couldn't box and even lost to some total bums

Is that so?
Mike Tyson would have destroyed Joshua inside 2 rounds at his peak. Forget the later messed up Tyson. He was not fit to be in a ring at that point.
Despite your claims about gameplans, the fight was not much of a spectacle and Joshua looked decidedly average until his power won the day. He won so fair play to him but Povetkin is an old fighter and ran out of steam.
Joshua needs to do a lot more to impress me. He's not fit to carry Lennox Lewis' jock strap to borrow a phrase from Larry Holmes.

Add Lewis V Tyson to my list. Now that is a good fight, even with Mike on the downward.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Sep 2018 4.12pm)

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Is that so?
Mike Tyson would have destroyed Joshua inside 2 rounds at his peak. Forget the later messed up Tyson. He was not fit to be in a ring at that point.
Despite your claims about gameplans, the fight was not much of a spectacle and Joshua looked decidedly average until his power won the day. He won so fair play to him but Povetkin is an old fighter and ran out of steam.
Joshua needs to do a lot more to impress me. He's not fit to carry Lennox Lewis' jock strap to borrow a phrase from Larry Holmes.

Add Lewis V Tyson to my list. Now that is a good fight, even with Mike on the downward.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Sep 2018 4.12pm)

I am not sure about that assessment Joshua is not yet at his peak so I think it is too early to make that comparison. Considering the number of fights he has had most future world champions are still learning their trade at this stage and haven't fought for the belt.

Edited by Badger11 (23 Sep 2018 4.36pm)

 


One more point

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 23 Sep 18 4.50pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I am not sure about that assessment Joshua is not yet at his peak so I think it is too early to make that comparison. Considering the number of fights he has had most future world champions are still learning their trade at this stage and haven't fought for the belt.

Edited by Badger11 (23 Sep 2018 4.36pm)

That's true but he is not a natural. His skills are all taught.

 

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I bought the PPV wanting to see Campbell and AJ fights.
Fell asleep half way through the Campbell fight, woke up on the Joshua ring walk , then fell asleep again in about the fourth.
Was wide awake for the joke that was the Okolie fight. WTF. Can’t see him ever being better than domestic level, he ruins fights.
Anyway watched them again this morning. Thought Joshua was sensible and did what he needed to, Povetkin was always a dangerous fight. AJ is so strong , but wins with 2/3 big punches, would definitely need to stay away from Wilders one punch power, when they fight.
Fury , although a good/elusive boxer , punches from his arms , not his legs/core, could see Wilder and AJ happily walking through his punches, after the heavy shots they have taken from Ortiz and Klitschko.
Some good fights ahead. I think there’s 8 PPV boxing and MMA shows before Christmas !

 

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Pussay Patrol Flag 23 Sep 18 7.24pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Is that so?
Mike Tyson would have destroyed Joshua inside 2 rounds at his peak. Forget the later messed up Tyson. He was not fit to be in a ring at that point.
Despite your claims about gameplans, the fight was not much of a spectacle and Joshua looked decidedly average until his power won the day. He won so fair play to him but Povetkin is an old fighter and ran out of steam.
Joshua needs to do a lot more to impress me. He's not fit to carry Lennox Lewis' jock strap to borrow a phrase from Larry Holmes.

Add Lewis V Tyson to my list. Now that is a good fight, even with Mike on the downward.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Sep 2018 4.12pm)

Absolutely !

Boxing has evolved so much in the last 30 odd years. Todays boxers are alot more intricate and clever, it's alot more to do with technical side, scoring points and good defence.

Tyson was one of a kind, a slugger from a different era in the 80's heavyweight division where most of those opponents were just punchers and not skilful boxers, hence, he banged them all out and mopped up all the belts.

Whether he would do the same in this era is debatable, unless he took his opponent out early he would run out of ideas, run out of steam and he didn't have a great chin either. Just as flawed as he was brilliant, which was cruelly exposed in his latter career

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That's true but he is not a natural. His skills are all taught.


Sorry Hrolf...lets us disagree on this sporty topic my friend.

I don't think AJ would have won a world title in his 16th fight and beaten Klitschko in his 20th if he were some kind of Bruno clone. (Kudos to Bruno by the way)

Tyson was fighting nobodies and didn't fight for the WBC title until his 28th fight.

Joshua is the real deal....and to be fair that's what Tyson thinks himself.

He did remarkable things in a short amateur career and has already been a huge success as a professional.

He deserves praise not criticism.....let's not forget that Tyson.....while being a great and one of the best fan friendly fighters to watch.....was taken the distance by journey men in his time.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Sep 2018 7.34pm)

 


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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 23 Sep 18 7.33pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Absolutely !

Boxing has evolved so much in the last 30 odd years. Todays boxers are alot more intricate and clever, it's alot more to do with technical side, scoring points and good defence.

Tyson was one of a kind, a slugger from a different era in the 80's heavyweight division where most of those opponents were just punchers and not skilful boxers, hence, he banged them all out and mopped up all the belts.

Whether he would do the same in this era is debatable, unless he took his opponent out early he would run out of ideas, run out of steam and he didn't have a great chin either. Just as flawed as he was brilliant, which was cruelly exposed in his latter career

I don't think a young Tyson would of had too much trouble. Half his opponents had already lost before they had got in the ring such was his presence.

Think he would of worked his way in below AJs jab and detonated on his chin. AJ on the other hand would need to use his jab to keep him at bay and take him into deep water.

 


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I remember watching the likes of Henry Cooper,Brian London, Jack Bodell, Joe Bugner,Richard Dunn, Floyd Paterson and Billy Walker.
These were much smaller than the heavyweights of today.
I don't think that Cooper fought over 14 stone and that Muhammad Ali was in the 14 stone bracket.


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Originally posted by Willo

I remember watching the likes of Henry Cooper,Brian London, Jack Bodell, Joe Bugner,Richard Dunn, Floyd Paterson and Billy Walker.
These were much smaller than the heavyweights of today.


Bugner was big.

It's true though....heavyweights are on a different level today.....must be something in the water.

There should be a small heavyweight category above cruiserweight.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Bugner was big.

It's true though....heavyweights are on a different level today.....must be something in the water.

There should be a small heavyweight category above cruiserweight.

I think Joe Bugner used to fight at around 15 Stone which is still light for a heavyweight in this era.

 

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