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Hrolf The Ganger 22 Feb 19 1.59pm
Originally posted by laddo So, in answer to my question as to whether HOL has an obsession with racism the answer clearly is a yes... Well really no. Just a handful of extreme right-wing nut jobs who get aroused at images of the queen at the royal variety performance, but offended at seeing a black man at the MOBO awards. Classic stuff. Classic stuff indeed. The only obsession around here seems to be attacking people for their political views. It is funny how people like you defend the MOBO awards and yet would have a stroke if anyone proposed a White awards. I expect you will be telling me that it's different for a majority or that us White folk are just too privileged to get deserve our own little club. Maybe it's recompense for slavery, which obviously, each White person should take personal responsibility for. No, I've got it. It's because Black people invented music, right? Keep producing these absurd inconsistencies in identity politics and the likes of me will keep complaining.
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22 Feb 19 1.59pm

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Originally posted by laddo

So, in answer to my question as to whether HOL has an obsession with racism the answer clearly is a yes...

Well really no. Just a handful of extreme right-wing nut jobs who get aroused at images of the queen at the royal variety performance, but offended at seeing a black man at the MOBO awards.

Classic stuff.

Classic stuff indeed.

The only obsession around here seems to be attacking people for their political views.

It is funny how people like you defend the MOBO awards and yet would have a stroke if anyone proposed a White awards.
I expect you will be telling me that it's different for a majority or that us White folk are just too privileged to get deserve our own little club. Maybe it's recompense for slavery, which obviously, each White person should take personal responsibility for.

No, I've got it. It's because Black people invented music, right?

Keep producing these absurd inconsistencies in identity politics and the likes of me will keep complaining.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 22 Feb 19 1.59pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Disagree There are many issues we face of which race and immigration is one of many,but always top of the agenda because it is emotive and used as a political football, it can buy votes. A far bigger issue,for example, is housing shortage but if you said you would build 10,000 houses in the area,it's not a vote winner and you could get more people against it. Probably why we have the problem in the first place. But tell people foreign people are coming and taking jobs, usual nonsense and you play on people's fears and prejudice. I think it's mainly built on perceptions and misconception as in most cases they don't affect people directly and it's usually stoked up by media outlets with ulterior motives. You would hope that enough people would have the maturity and diligence to rise above and have a more rational outlook on the subject but we are where we are I think in the case of this forum people have rightly complained it is too much and we don't need it rammed down our throats 24/7, it's a football forum after all and shows the support in a negative light (imho) You don’t support Palace. Foreign people ARE coming and taking jobs, which is fine, to a point, but what’s also happened is we’ve encouraged and used foreign labour so that bosses can pay less and youngsters are trained and hired less, or not at all. There is no doubt that the media have blown incidents and issues out of proportion to a point, but you tell that to someone in an area experiencing the negative effects of an open door policy on immigration. You don’t live in one and neither do I, and neither do some of those from there, because they’ve moved away. Most individuals we meet are fine. Numbers and issues are rightly a concern. COYP
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Caterham 22 Feb 19 1.59pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Disagree

There are many issues we face of which race and immigration is one of many,but always top of the agenda because it is emotive and used as a political football, it can buy votes. A far bigger issue,for example, is housing shortage but if you said you would build 10,000 houses in the area,it's not a vote winner and you could get more people against it. Probably why we have the problem in the first place. But tell people foreign people are coming and taking jobs, usual nonsense and you play on people's fears and prejudice. I think it's mainly built on perceptions and misconception as in most cases they don't affect people directly and it's usually stoked up by media outlets with ulterior motives. You would hope that enough people would have the maturity and diligence to rise above and have a more rational outlook on the subject but we are where we are

I think in the case of this forum people have rightly complained it is too much and we don't need it rammed down our throats 24/7, it's a football forum after all and shows the support in a negative light (imho)

You don’t support Palace.

Foreign people ARE coming and taking jobs, which is fine, to a point, but what’s also happened is we’ve encouraged and used foreign labour so that bosses can pay less and youngsters are trained and hired less, or not at all.

There is no doubt that the media have blown incidents and issues out of proportion to a point, but you tell that to someone in an area experiencing the negative effects of an open door policy on immigration. You don’t live in one and neither do I, and neither do some of those from there, because they’ve moved away.

Most individuals we meet are fine. Numbers and issues are rightly a concern.

COYP

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Hrolf The Ganger 22 Feb 19 2.15pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Disagree There are many issues we face of which race and immigration is one of many,but always top of the agenda because it is emotive and used as a political football, it can buy votes. A far bigger issue,for example, is housing shortage but if you said you would build 10,000 houses in the area,it's not a vote winner and you could get more people against it. Probably why we have the problem in the first place. But tell people foreign people are coming and taking jobs, usual nonsense and you play on people's fears and prejudice. I think it's mainly built on perceptions and misconception as in most cases they don't affect people directly and it's usually stoked up by media outlets with ulterior motives. You would hope that enough people would have the maturity and diligence to rise above and have a more rational outlook on the subject but we are where we are I think in the case of this forum people have rightly complained it is too much and we don't need it rammed down our throats 24/7, it's a football forum after all and shows the support in a negative light (imho) But..but, immigrants do take 'our jobs' and they do live in our houses and they do commit more crime than anyone else. They are used to force down wages and they bring a whole swathe of organised and street crime with them as immigrants have done throughout history when you import the larger number just to do the dirty jobs for low pay. If it were all a lie I would totally agree with you, but you and I both know it isn't. Our infrastructure is under increasing pressure and each nationality of immigrant brings their own little criminal signature with it. Please don't reply by saying that not all immigrants are criminals. That would be abusing stating the obvious once too often. If you love mass immigration so much, tell me about all the benefits we are currently seeing.
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Hrolf The Ganger

22 Feb 19 2.15pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Disagree

There are many issues we face of which race and immigration is one of many,but always top of the agenda because it is emotive and used as a political football, it can buy votes. A far bigger issue,for example, is housing shortage but if you said you would build 10,000 houses in the area,it's not a vote winner and you could get more people against it. Probably why we have the problem in the first place. But tell people foreign people are coming and taking jobs, usual nonsense and you play on people's fears and prejudice. I think it's mainly built on perceptions and misconception as in most cases they don't affect people directly and it's usually stoked up by media outlets with ulterior motives. You would hope that enough people would have the maturity and diligence to rise above and have a more rational outlook on the subject but we are where we are

I think in the case of this forum people have rightly complained it is too much and we don't need it rammed down our throats 24/7, it's a football forum after all and shows the support in a negative light (imho)

But..but,
immigrants do take 'our jobs' and they do live in our houses and they do commit more crime than anyone else.
They are used to force down wages and they bring a whole swathe of organised and street crime with them as immigrants have done throughout history when you import the larger number just to do the dirty jobs for low pay.

If it were all a lie I would totally agree with you, but you and I both know it isn't.
Our infrastructure is under increasing pressure and each nationality of immigrant brings their own little criminal signature with it.
Please don't reply by saying that not all immigrants are criminals. That would be abusing stating the obvious once too often.

If you love mass immigration so much, tell me about all the benefits we are currently seeing.

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Midlands Eagle 22 Feb 19 3.11pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger If you love mass immigration so much, tell me about all the benefits we are currently seeing. How would he know as he lives in Holland
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

If you love mass immigration so much, tell me about all the benefits we are currently seeing.

How would he know as he lives in Holland

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cryrst The garden of England 22 Feb 19 3.19pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Question for you, would you say there's too many foreigners where you live? Yes. Question for you. Am i racist.
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The garden of England 22 Feb 19 3.19pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Question for you, would you say there's too many foreigners where you live?

Yes.
Question for you.
Am i racist.

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Hrolf The Ganger 22 Feb 19 4.14pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle How would he know as he lives in Holland You have to laugh. I must join a website in Holland and tell them that they need more immigrants just for bants.
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Hrolf The Ganger

22 Feb 19 4.14pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

How would he know as he lives in Holland

You have to laugh.

I must join a website in Holland and tell them that they need more immigrants just for bants.

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Pussay Patrol 22 Feb 19 4.29pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger But..but, immigrants do take 'our jobs' and they do live in our houses and they do commit more crime than anyone else. They are used to force down wages and they bring a whole swathe of organised and street crime with them as immigrants have done throughout history when you import the larger number just to do the dirty jobs for low pay. If it were all a lie I would totally agree with you, but you and I both know it isn't. Our infrastructure is under increasing pressure and each nationality of immigrant brings their own little criminal signature with it. Please don't reply by saying that not all immigrants are criminals. That would be abusing stating the obvious once too often. If you love mass immigration so much, tell me about all the benefits we are currently seeing. Thanks for helping me prove my point Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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Pussay Patrol

22 Feb 19 4.29pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

If you love mass immigration so much, tell me about all the benefits we are currently seeing.

Thanks for helping me prove my point

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Feb 19 4.32pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Question for you, would you say there's too many foreigners where you live? Definitely not. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 22 Feb 19 4.32pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Question for you, would you say there's too many foreigners where you live?

Definitely not.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 22 Feb 19 4.48pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Definitely not. Such a traditional Tory voter. Tell me Wisbech, what are the traditional Tory policies that you support? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

22 Feb 19 4.48pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Definitely not.

Such a traditional Tory voter.

Tell me Wisbech, what are the traditional Tory policies that you support?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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cryrst The garden of England 22 Feb 19 5.01pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Such a traditional Tory voter. Tell me Wisbech, what are the traditional Tory policies that you support? Im sure he is going to say.... Purchase your council house Privatise infastructure businesses Tax breaks for big business and the mega wealthy. Closing the mines as they were loss leaders. Sshhhh Silence is golden
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cryrst

The garden of England 22 Feb 19 5.01pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Such a traditional Tory voter.

Tell me Wisbech, what are the traditional Tory policies that you support?

Im sure he is going to say....
Purchase your council house
Privatise infastructure businesses
Tax breaks for big business and the mega wealthy.
Closing the mines as they were loss leaders.

Sshhhh
Silence is golden

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Stirlingsays 22 Feb 19 5.05pm
Originally posted by cryrst Im sure he is going to say.... Purchase your council house Privatise infastructure businesses Tax breaks for big business and the mega wealthy. Closing the mines as they were loss leaders. Sshhhh Silence is golden Yeah....the economic stuff.....In other words he isn't a traditional Tory he's a neo liberal....A Blairite claiming to be a conservative for the purposes of engaging in discussions with the right by claiming that traditional Tories are actually more left wing.....I don't believe a word of it. What traditional Tory social policies does he agree with? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

22 Feb 19 5.05pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Im sure he is going to say....
Purchase your council house
Privatise infastructure businesses
Tax breaks for big business and the mega wealthy.
Closing the mines as they were loss leaders.

Sshhhh
Silence is golden

Yeah....the economic stuff.....In other words he isn't a traditional Tory he's a neo liberal....A Blairite claiming to be a conservative for the purposes of engaging in discussions with the right by claiming that traditional Tories are actually more left wing.....I don't believe a word of it.

What traditional Tory social policies does he agree with?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Feb 19 5.11pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Such a traditional Tory voter. Tell me Wisbech, what are the traditional Tory policies that you support? I am a "one nation" Tory, which I regard as the grouping which embraces the traditions developed by the likes of Macmillan and Heath. Strict adherence to law and order in all areas, free market economics, the reward of enterprise, the principal of subsidiarity, a social policy which protects the most vulnerable whilst penalising laziness, support for the NHS and the BBC, support for Nato, support for the Union, the provision of help for developing nations and humanitarian aid in emergencies. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 22 Feb 19 5.11pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Such a traditional Tory voter.

Tell me Wisbech, what are the traditional Tory policies that you support?

I am a "one nation" Tory, which I regard as the grouping which embraces the traditions developed by the likes of Macmillan and Heath.

Strict adherence to law and order in all areas, free market economics, the reward of enterprise, the principal of subsidiarity, a social policy which protects the most vulnerable whilst penalising laziness, support for the NHS and the BBC, support for Nato, support for the Union, the provision of help for developing nations and humanitarian aid in emergencies.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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