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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 01 Mar 19 2.47pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It makes a nice change to find at least one point of agreement for I too make no special allowances for those who hold religious beliefs. It is my belief that religious, and similar, beliefs should not occupy the public square where they can impact non believers. They should only been present in private spaces. You can believe whatever you like in private but the law is the law for us all.

So even if a religion demands that it's followers must believe in the most appalling (to others) concepts so long as that idea remains within their walls no harm is done. As soon as anyone steps outside with those ideas and into shared space the law must step in. In practice I don't think that a majority of educated Muslims truly believe in death for blasphemy etc. I have been to places like Malaysia and not found such ideas to be prevalent. I know it remains an issue in rural communities in places like pakistan and that there is work to do.

This kind of issue is not restricted to Islam. I have encountered it on traditional Catholic forums too where fundamentalist, Old Testament, attitudes towards non believers can readily be found. Look up Dominionism. Although perhaps not as extreme it indicates the scary nature of an absolute faith.

Globalisation certainly did not arrive by magic but neither did it arrive as a consequence of greed or any kind of overall plan by some mythical "elite". It arrived as the natural evolutionary consequence of the way our world has developed, helped along by the UN as a means to try to alleviate poverty and create a more equitable world. For sure capitalism was involved because that's what the world turns on.

The motivation for mass immigration is not to make more profit. It is both to respond to humanitarian needs and to plug gaps in the labour market. When I owned a care home I could not find staff locally so had to recruit overseas. The alternative was to close the business, which would have been a disaster for everyone involved. I didn't get rich but I did keep afloat. On a much bigger scale the NHS could not survive without immigration, both of medical staff and support workers. That will continue for ever, so far as I can see.

Capitalism is indeed an extension of the natural evolution of mankind and the survival of the fittest. That does not mean, however, that its principles are good for all or that the details should be accepted without question.

If we wish to have a global community and a global government, largely brought by the desire of commerce to make us all global consumers and workers, then we have to rid ourselves of the things that divide us.
Religion and culture will have to be sacrificed or we will be in perpetual conflict. I don't see that happening because humans like division. It's in their nature. Some of those capitalists love conflict too. War makes them lots of money.

We also have a wealth gap and crime to consider.
When you have large movements of people from poor to relatively rich countries, we will have a major problem with this as well as resource shortages.

I only see one result for a vastly increasing population, mass immigrations and globalisation.

Endless hell for future generations and an eventual breakdown of civilisation.


 

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 31 Mar 19 2.33pm

seems an apt place to post this link.

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 31 Mar 19 2.51pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by pefwin

seems an apt place to post this link.

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Social conservatives have similarities up to a point.

Perhaps you don't read much but this point has been made on these forums a few times. We can play the same game with the far left and Stalinism.....Indeed Fascism and Communism directly oppose each other but share many similarities.

There is a level of similarity until there isn't.

Given that this article is from the BBC it isn't all that bad in being objective with some accurate statements.


Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Mar 2019 2.54pm)

 

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View DANGERCLOSE's Profile DANGERCLOSE Flag london 31 Mar 19 2.56pm Send a Private Message to DANGERCLOSE Add DANGERCLOSE as a friend

What sort of comment is that?

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 31 Mar 19 3.04pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE

What sort of comment is that?

It's just one more micro example of 'identity politics for me, but not for thee'.

 

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 31 Mar 19 7.09pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Social conservatives have similarities up to a point.

Perhaps you don't read much but this point has been made on these forums a few times. We can play the same game with the far left and Stalinism.....Indeed Fascism and Communism directly oppose each other but share many similarities.

There is a level of similarity until there isn't.

Given that this article is from the BBC it isn't all that bad in being objective with some accurate statements.


Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Mar 2019 2.54pm)

Trollkin,

Please ignore me or I will have to report you.

You obviuolsy don't read and only listen to what SargonSays, but you always believe you are right just like you ISIS counterpart.

 


"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 31 Mar 19 7.13pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by pefwin

Trollkin,

Please ignore me or I will have to report you.

You obviuolsy don't read and only listen to what SargonSays, but you always believe you are right just like you ISIS counterpart.

Ah back to type, sure you get your wish, back to ignoring.

 

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 31 Mar 19 7.16pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Ah back to type, sure you get your wish, back to ignoring.

typical ISIS wants the last word

 


"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Flag 05 Apr 19 7.41am Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

Just read Danny Roses comments on the fine Montenegro received.

Danny says:

Obviously it is sad that I had to prepare for that, but when countries only get fined what I probably spend on a night out in London then what do you expect?

Not sure comments like that will make things better for you Danny if I'm honest.

I'm very sorry for prejudice anyonr had to face but as a millionaire footballer, perhaps you could spend some of the money you spent on a night out educating people?

 

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Originally posted by jeeagles

Just read Danny Roses comments on the fine Montenegro received.

Danny says:

Obviously it is sad that I had to prepare for that, but when countries only get fined what I probably spend on a night out in London then what do you expect?

Not sure comments like that will make things better for you Danny if I'm honest.

I'm very sorry for prejudice anyonr had to face but as a millionaire footballer, perhaps you could spend some of the money you spent on a night out educating people?

Just another footballer with a foot in their mouths.

However, what do you mean by 'educating people'?

 

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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Flag 05 Apr 19 8.19am Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Just another footballer with a foot in their mouths.

However, what do you mean by 'educating people'?

In all honesty. I'm not really sure. But it seems he has more money than the Montenegro FA.

 

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View blackheatheagle's Profile blackheatheagle Flag Blackheath 05 Apr 19 8.34am Send a Private Message to blackheatheagle Add blackheatheagle as a friend

I don`t get the correlation between being rich and having thick skin against abuse.

It happened in Italy by the way this weekend, not a Montenegro specific case.

I am at the same page that these complains in media turns to a soap opera but there is a clear deadness at UEFA & FIFA for this matter who are liable to sort it out (*).

(*) In stadiums, not in the country. That is a huge task.

 

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