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Originally posted by silvertop

Possibly. A better course may have been to ride the tide of leftist populism and then clear out the rubbish when the party was forced to reform after a GE mauling.

Unfortunately with Brexit looming they probably felt they did not have the luxury of time.

As others have said a pointless gesture that served only one purpose - to oust 7 rebels without corbyn having to fire a shot. Can you imagine the obedient little trots who are going to replace them?

Probably agree with this.

As for replacements in those safe seats? Any idiot in a red hat. Their predecessors grew complacent and lost self awareness.

Someone of the ilk of Abbott or Lammy will take the seat, willing idiots.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag Wisbech, England 18 Feb 19 10.35pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Yep, this is no gang of four......At that point the grass roots of the Labour party wasn't as far left as it is now.

If they were serious about fighting to re-claim the Labour party from the Marxists.......Well, it's pretty late in the day.....once Miliband stuck Corbyn on the ticket....which was a decision I agreed with because he represented a significant wing of the party....the non Marxists in the party have been out of power.

That's a fair reflection of their party base and is democracy in action.

These seven MPs are Blairites......Them leaving will be rocky for Corbyn in the short term but ultimately I see it strengthening him in the party internally.

 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 18 Feb 19 11.38pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep, this is no gang of four......At that point the grass roots of the Labour party wasn't as far left as it is now.

If they were serious about fighting to re-claim the Labour party from the Marxists.......Well, it's pretty late in the day.....once Miliband stuck Corbyn on the ticket....which was a decision I agreed with because he represented a significant wing of the party....the non Marxists in the party have been out of power.

That's a fair reflection of their party base and is democracy in action.

These seven MPs are Blairites......Them leaving will be rocky for Corbyn in the short term but ultimately I see it strengthening him in the party internally.

the choice between Bliarites versus Marxists ?

what do you want for breakfast dear ? rat poison or Plutonium ?

 


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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

the choice between Bliarites versus Marxists ?

what do you want for breakfast dear ? rat poison or Plutonium ?

Pretty much.

The Blairites may have less fruit in their cake......but are also probably less honest than Marxists......to give a more savory analogy.....how much soy do you want? A bit of bean or the whole field.


Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Feb 2019 12.06am)

 

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Originally posted by eagleman13


Wrong. The majority of the public voted otherwise.

Thats why we live in a democracy

Edited by eagleman13 (18 Feb 2019 5.51pm)

Exactly, this simple fact is hard for remainers to accept.

 

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Labour rebel Luciana Berger... probably would.

Edited by Penge Eagle (19 Feb 2019 12.24pm)

 

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Originally posted by eagleman13

Wrong. The majority of the public voted otherwise.

Thats why we live in a democracy

Edited by eagleman13 (18 Feb 2019 5.51pm)

The majority of those eligible to vote didn't vote to leave as around 27% didn't vote, add that to those who voted remain means that a majority of the total electorate did not vote to leave. (I'm not saying how the 27% would have voted just that they didn't vote leave).

 


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Originally posted by johnno42000

The majority of those eligible to vote didn't vote to leave as around 27% didn't vote, add that to those who voted remain means that a majority of the total electorate did not vote to leave. (I'm not saying how the 27% would have voted just that they didn't vote leave).


Democracy is not about 100 percent participation or not giving legitimacy under some participation metric.

If people do not want to vote that is a valid commentary in of itself. Some people has zero interest in the political.

Saying that a majority didn't vote to leave is no more valid that saying a majority didn't vote to remain.

Democracy is about the majority viewpoint to presented arguments winning from a vote.

A majority who voted did vote to leave compared to those voting to remain and finding out that metric was the purpose of the referendum.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Feb 2019 2.15pm)

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Democracy is not about 100 percent participation or not giving legitimacy under some participation metric.

If people do not want to vote that is a valid commentary in of itself. Some people has zero interest in the political.

Saying that a majority didn't vote to leave is no more valid that saying a majority didn't vote to remain.

Democracy is about the majority viewpoint to presented arguments winning from a vote.

A majority who voted did vote to leave compared to those voting to remain and finding out that metric was the purpose of the referendum.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Feb 2019 2.15pm)

It is still true to say a majority of those eligible to vote did not vote to leave and that is a fact as is a majority of those eligible to vote did not vote to remain.

Edited by johnno42000 (19 Feb 2019 2.38pm)

 


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Originally posted by johnno42000

It is still true to say a majority of those eligible to vote did not vote to leave and that is a fact.


So what? The reverse is also true.

Most of the laws of this land..... most of what constitutes how your life runs....you didn't vote for or get a say on.

At least there was an opportunity with this.

 

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Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Labour rebel Luciana Berger... probably would.

Edited by Penge Eagle (19 Feb 2019 12.24pm)


Yeah but....would you remain.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


So what? The reverse is also true.

Most of the laws of this land..... most of what constitutes how your life runs....you didn't vote for or get a say on.

At least there was an opportunity with this.

Johhno is correct though when you consider that whole-hearted consent was required in the first referendum to remain in the common market, and to be consistent this test should have applied in the 2016 vote.

As it was not done, it has led to a nation divided.

Perhaps Wilson realised that, an extremely capable politician.

 

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