In the cold light of day, you may wish to reconsider this statement and accept that the remain/left wing leaning posters on here have done their share, including you if I may be so bold

The sorest losers in history. They just don't give up do they? Excuses, excuses, excuses.

McDonnell speaking on Andrew Marr Show a few minutes ago has now latched on to the 'Media smears on Jeremy" were reason Labour was defeated. He's still desperately smearing Johnson at the same time - usual "liar, etc".

Why don't they just shut up, give up, resign, and make room for a Labour bunch who the electorate will actually believe and vote for.

Nothing is fool-proof - fools are too ingenious

So, in short:
- the driveling right wingers don't want to listen to you,

- you agree that your ability to change minds is a hopeless task

- the left wing sites are blind to the reason you are offering them

Is there a pattern emerging here somewhere?

Can everyone else really be so wrong?

Still,I understand Jesus had the same problems back in the day

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

To be fair, the mass media did salughter Corbyn. Now I would argue that a man who shares space with terrorist organisations and proclaims them as friends opens himself up to that but we have to be honest about it. The coverage was not fair. I can see that despite positioning myself as the very antithesis of what Corbyn stands for.

But the press slaughtered him in 2017 and he still managed to do alright.

Mmmmm.

I wonder what changed this time around.....?

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

the fact that your thoughtful, carefully worded and entirely objective analysis is taken as left-wing griping is a telling reflection on the utter numpties making easy two or three word jibes - the fact you have been consistently open as a conservative voter as well says a great deal - you are wasted here, not a place for moderation and intelligence, the mud slinging against you is from the same place as the mud slinging against various politicians, it's not really about views or principles, it's more about people lacking in intelligence insulting other people's intelligence - literally.

It's true that the media attacked Corbyn that's because they had plenty of ammunition. It's not a smear if it's the truth.

It's a pity Mcdonnell wasn't asked which smear he was referring to. Corbyn did meet the IRA he did call Hamas his friends he did go to a funeral of a terrorist etc. etc. Senior security officials did say he was a security risk, do you not report that?

And Johnson had a shed load of abuse over his personal life. Elections these days are dirty I am sorry to say.
Johnson may have the majority of the media on his side but Labour had social media largely on their side. Both sides told lies and used PR stunts. Anyone that thinks that Labour was clean whilst the Tories played dirty is just naive.

Now some of this from Labour maybe bravado and away from the camera a more thoughtful examination will happen. But if you take what the Momentum and the Corbyn followers say at face value then they have already decided it's not their fault so any review will no doubt be a whitewash, step forward Baroness Chakrabati.

One more point