With the greatest of respect I never experienced a frisson of excitement at perusing the 'Thoughts of Chairman Wisbech'.

In actual fact I assumed a repose of semi-paralysis and let out such a yawn I could have been a hedgehog preparing for hybernation.

We are certainly on different sides of the house on the matters that were raised but at least Wisbech took the time and effort to make a lengthy contribution to the debate.

Finally, "We want thinkers and leaders", I have to assert that Corbyn is neither and this could be applied to many, if not all on his front bench.

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Wisbech most people would agree that the EU needs reforming however they don't which is why we are leaving. If Merkel had given Cameron some sugar your side would have won.

It's pointless talking about hypotheticals. If and when the EU does reform then our politicians will know doubt take a closer look I am not against re-joining a looser alignment as long as power remains with our Parliament.

If your correct then the EU has the perfect opportunity now to start that reform when we enter the trade negotiations. They can offer Boris a deal which could becomes the basis for a 2 tier Europe however I think that is highly unlikely.

As I see it you are making assumptions that are simply not there at the moment. Maybe in a few years when the EU misses our revenue you could be right but at this moment I have not heard any of the key players urging this.

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Everyone who voted Labour, Lib Dem or SNP wants a second referendum?

That's not what I said is it?

It's obviously untrue. Just as is that not everyone who voted Tory doesn't want a second referendum. Many just cannot stomach Corbyn.

Voting for the SNP is a good indicator of how far the Labour party have fallen.The Tories in Scotland are not an option for a lot of people, the fact Ruth Davidson gave them a measure of popularity is quite remarkable, so the SNP get a lot of votes by default.
The Lib Dem’s got more seats than Labour which would have been inconceivable a few years ago.

And I don't give a toss. You do not know what most people think and that is not how first past the post works. Remain lost the referendum three years ago and yet people like you still can't accept it.

Oh I realise that people like you don't give a toss. Until of course the boot is on the other foot and your views suddenly don't matter. Of course I understand how first past the post works! That it produces this kind of result is why it is, in my opinion, likely to come under scrutiny again in the coming months. Not just from people like me, but also from people like Farage who is able to attract significant numbers to his approach but fails to win any representation. Time will tell if my forecast is correct.

You really are the most tedious individual I have ever come across on the internet.

That must only be true because of your own particular character. I find many posters here so tedious that I ignore their contributions completely as my experience indicates they have nothing new to say. Might I suggest you do the same. You are free to ignore me.

We are leaving the EU and the manner of that departure was never the electorates decision to make, aside from indirectly through an election.

We will be completing the first stage of the withdrawal. After that anything could happen, with several things more likely than others. The focus now shifts, at least temporarily, to making sure the future arrangements are as least damaging as possible. As the whole shameful debacle ought never to have been the electorates to make, aside from indirectly at an election, I agree with you. When the time comes that the electorate vote in a government who wishes to take us back in I hope you remember that.

Whine all you like. It's happening.

I am not whining in the least. I am both a pragmatist, a realist and someone with inexhaustible resolve. Almost every success follows a series of failures. You only ever really fail if you stop trying. That won't happen.