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 cryrst  The garden of England 01 May 20 2.30pm |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
And with how you feel we should be acting you may be visited by 3 ghosts.
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 becky  over the moon 01 May 20 2.48pm |
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I was thinking this morning (a dangerous pastime, I know) how everyone is berating everyone else for their unpreparedness for this pandemic, but in reality no one actually knows how to prepare for something like this: there is no model, and the last true pandemic was over 100 years ago, in an age when we didn't even have penicillin and a ventilator needed a whole room to itself. I know there was SARS and Asian Bird Flu and a couple of others, but they never really amounted to anything (or not in the UK anyway), so although there was certainly models of the hows, whens and whys - you can only plan to a certain level, after which you can only go with the actuality of events as they unfold and spread.Which is exactly what has happened here with distribution of PPE, shortages of supplies, availability of beds and equipment. To me, they got the greater part of the planning right and are doing pretty well with coping with the 'unplannable' as things move along. Gets tin hat and retires.......
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| Midlands Eagle 01 May 20 4.15pm |
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Originally posted by becky
I was thinking this morning (a dangerous pastime, I know) how everyone is berating everyone else for their unpreparedness for this pandemic,
With respect it's only the media plus a few keyboard warriors that are putting the boot in as most of us realise what a difficult job it is to prepare for something that no-one ever thought would happen
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| mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 01 May 20 4.34pm |
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Originally posted by becky
I was thinking this morning (a dangerous pastime, I know) how everyone is berating everyone else for their unpreparedness for this pandemic, but in reality no one actually knows how to prepare for something like this: there is no model, and the last true pandemic was over 100 years ago, in an age when we didn't even have penicillin and a ventilator needed a whole room to itself. I know there was SARS and Asian Bird Flu and a couple of others, but they never really amounted to anything (or not in the UK anyway), so although there was certainly models of the hows, whens and whys - you can only plan to a certain level, after which you can only go with the actuality of events as they unfold and spread.Which is exactly what has happened here with distribution of PPE, shortages of supplies, availability of beds and equipment. To me, they got the greater part of the planning right and are doing pretty well with coping with the 'unplannable' as things move along. Gets tin hat and retires....... I'm an investment manager and I could safely say that I would only ever invest 100% of my money in only one fund - The Hindsight Fund. But it doesn't exist. Which is a shame really. So I have to make calls on what I think is going to happen. These decisions are easily judged because the fund I manage has a value every day and is ranked against others each day with no hiding place. So either I'm crap and I don't have a job, or I'm not and I do. So it is with this crisis really. There is not one person who has ever experienced this situation before. Not one. But only a handful have to make decisions about what's best to do. The easiest thing in the world is to criticise with the benefit of hindsight. That's why it's always easier to be in opposition in politics than in power, whoever you are. The thing I can't get my head around is how we emerge from where we are without a second wave. I'm lucky because I know of only a couple of people who have actually had COVID, and thankfully none of my family have (yet), and most of the people that I talk to (which is a lot) generally say the same. Which to my mind says that when we come out of lockdown, and if this thing is as contagious as they say, then there are HUGE swathes of us yet to get it. In short, COVID 19 is in charge at the moment - no Governments, scientists, politicians, know-alls etc - and until COVID 19 is mastered it will continue to call the shots. My question would be, to each and every one of us that has posted on this thread, from where we are now.....right now, without any we should have done this or we should have done that....what would YOU do if you had to make the decisions? It's not easy.
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| Spiderman Horsham 01 May 20 4.58pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
With respect it's only the media plus a few keyboard warriors that are putting the boot in as most of us realise what a difficult job it is to prepare for something that no-one ever thought would happen Precisely. A few on here need to take stock of what you say. We certainly have our own versions of Piers Morgan, who has done nothing but slag off the Government from day 1.
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| Midlands Eagle 01 May 20 5.28pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
We certainly have our own versions of Piers Morgan, who has done nothing but slag off the Government from day 1.
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| cryrst The garden of England 01 May 20 5.29pm |
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100k tests reached. Umm c'mon leftys.
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| Spiderman Horsham 01 May 20 5.38pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
100k tests reached. Umm c'mon leftys.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 May 20 5.46pm |
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Originally posted by becky
I was thinking this morning (a dangerous pastime, I know) how everyone is berating everyone else for their unpreparedness for this pandemic, but in reality no one actually knows how to prepare for something like this: there is no model, and the last true pandemic was over 100 years ago, in an age when we didn't even have penicillin and a ventilator needed a whole room to itself. I know there was SARS and Asian Bird Flu and a couple of others, but they never really amounted to anything (or not in the UK anyway), so although there was certainly models of the hows, whens and whys - you can only plan to a certain level, after which you can only go with the actuality of events as they unfold and spread.Which is exactly what has happened here with distribution of PPE, shortages of supplies, availability of beds and equipment. To me, they got the greater part of the planning right and are doing pretty well with coping with the 'unplannable' as things move along. Gets tin hat and retires....... No need for a tin hat. You are absolutely right. No-one could have got every decision right given the fast moving situation. Nor could every situation have been foreseen and planned for. Lessons will have been learned though, especially about ignoring the results of predictive exercises when your eyes are on another ball. That said I don't think I would have changed a single decision that was taken at the time it was taken. So I give due credit to a government that I opposed prior to it's election for being flexible and realistic. In some ways we are lucky that they have such a large majority and were only a month or two into a 5 year Parliament. That meant they were in a "let's do it" mindset and not a campaigning one. Contrast that with the USA where politics are getting in the way of common sense.
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| Spiderman Horsham 01 May 20 6.03pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No need for a tin hat. You are absolutely right. No-one could have got every decision right given the fast moving situation. Nor could every situation have been foreseen and planned for. Lessons will have been learned though, especially about ignoring the results of predictive exercises when your eyes are on another ball. That said I don't think I would have changed a single decision that was taken at the time it was taken. So I give due credit to a government that I opposed prior to it's election for being flexible and realistic. In some ways we are lucky that they have such a large majority and were only a month or two into a 5 year Parliament. That meant they were in a "let's do it" mindset and not a campaigning one. Contrast that with the USA where politics are getting in the way of common sense. Good post agree totally. However why did you feel the need to mention US, it is a bit of an obsession with you, just concentrate on the UK
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| SavoyTruffle 01 May 20 6.10pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
100k tests reached. Umm c'mon leftys. 73,191 people tested, 81,978 tests carried out. Cotton buds in the post don’t count as tests. Up until earlier this week a test was only counted once processed in a lab, why move the goalposts if your confident of meeting your promise? Edited by SavoyTruffle (01 May 2020 6.13pm)
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| cryrst The garden of England 01 May 20 6.41pm |
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Originally posted by SavoyTruffle
73,191 people tested, 81,978 tests carried out. Cotton buds in the post don’t count as tests. Up until earlier this week a test was only counted once processed in a lab, why move the goalposts if your confident of meeting your promise? Edited by SavoyTruffle (01 May 2020 6.13pm) Obviously the test centres were the failure.
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