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BlueJay Flag UK 06 Sep 20 2.34am

Originally posted by Badger11

My plan is to self isolate for 7 days. 2 of my neighbours will do my shopping but I was hoping to find a short cut, I guess not.

I don't see much point in sending away for a test by the time that cycle is done I will have done my 7 days.

Thanks anyway

Bang on. The fine line between living a life and looking out for your fellow man. I'm heartened by the thought you're putting into your travels.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 06 Sep 20 2.38am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Yes I agree with this. There are times and places where it is difficult or impossible to make sure you’re not a risk to people who will be at risk and of course your conscience would play havoc.

100% agree. For all of the to-and-fro of this approach or that, it's clear that you care and put thought into how your neighbours are getting on during this time and lending a hand. That's commendable and more than most do.

 

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View Eden Eagle's Profile Eden Eagle Flag Kent 06 Sep 20 7.51am Send a Private Message to Eden Eagle Add Eden Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

100% agree. For all of the to-and-fro of this approach or that, it's clear that you care and put thought into how your neighbours are getting on during this time and lending a hand. That's commendable and more than most do.

Morning Bluejay

Could you share the link please that states 80% of those infected have heart damage as you stated previously? I would be interested in reading that. Many thanks

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 06 Sep 20 8.10am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

Morning Bluejay

Could you share the link please that states 80% of those infected have heart damage as you stated previously? I would be interested in reading that. Many thanks

Google heart damage and covid, it's there.
The study was 100 people at a median age of 49 including asymptomatic. 78% showed some form,however mild of heart issues. This is one report by Forbes.com and others may say different of course. Worrying if it turns out to be typical though. Spanish flu did it all front end, Maybe this bug is doing its thing, front loaded to susceptible people and setting up millions of others.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 06 Sep 20 8.12am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

If it is a future killer then maybe trying to avoid it or pass it on is sensible for all of us.
Sweden's approach looks a little selfish if this is the case.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 06 Sep 20 1.04pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

If it is a future killer then maybe trying to avoid it or pass it on is sensible for all of us.
Sweden's approach looks a little selfish if this is the case.

It isn’t selfish. It’s how they’ve found a balance beyond just concerns of Covid and immunity earlier.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 06 Sep 20 2.13pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

It isn’t selfish. It’s how they’ve found a balance beyond just concerns of Covid and immunity earlier.

Immunity from future heart issues!. Immunity from catching it again is also not proved as some have had it twice. Dont get it,dont spread it seems the sensible option.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 06 Sep 20 2.50pm

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

Morning Bluejay

Could you share the link please that states 80% of those infected have heart damage as you stated previously? I would be interested in reading that. Many thanks

Sure, there are a few studies suggesting that heart damage occurs even in individuals with mild or no symptoms, such as this one where 100 patients were given MRI scans and 78 had heart damage [Link]

This of course can also happen with the flu but rates are apparently closer to 10% [Link]

The study suggests the scans took place on average 71 days from diagnosis [Link] No difference between the 2 months and the 3 months so it's not clear if this will improve with time, but its a small sample size so larger scale studies will hopefully be carried out.

There is also a post covid syndrome that severely damages the hearts of children. Not that I'm saying this is common (though 662 kids having their hearts wrecked by a virus that is not typically associated with risk for children is unfortunate) , just that it's more emerging information in this area, and also impacts those who had seemingly asymptomatic infections at the time [Link]


It may well turn out for the most part that there is no lasting damaging (maybe studies a year down the line will show no damage or that its not consequential), nor is it easy information to act on anyway as we need to keep the world turning regardless, but it's wise for us to acknowledge that we still have little idea of the long term consequences one way or the other since it's something new.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 06 Sep 20 4.19pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

The difference between the original statement that 80 percent have heart 'damage' and the actual reality of inflammation with unknown permanence is noteworthy.

Let's not forget that many people even reading this text will have various levels of inflammation, including their cardiac system and many just from their form of diet. It is highly common especially with age. The issue is the severity of it.

This is an inflammatory virus so it isn't exactly stunning to observe that during its worst stage the heart will also undergo inflammation....proven permanence and severity from this specific virus is the key.

Also this small study was discovered to have been using several inaccurate statistics and had to be disclosed by a journalist who bothered to read the analysis...not by a Doctor or other medical professional, but it had to be raised by a journalist.

You can read here the issued corrections which resulted in only a broad conclusion. This kind of thing lessens confidence considerably.

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Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Sep 2020 5.24pm)

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 06 Sep 20 4.31pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Immunity from future heart issues!. Immunity from catching it again is also not proved as some have had it twice. Dont get it,dont spread it seems the sensible option.

I feel I should say something about 'immunity'.

Permanent 'immunity' is pretty rare from this family of viruses.

Indeed, immunity or the famous 'herd' immunity doesn't mean people don't catch the virus it means that their system fights it off quickly and they don't get ill.....so the infectious stage is much shorter.

For example, we don't have permanent 'immunity' from 'flu'.....Lots of us catch it multiple times in our life times....You can take the 'vaccine' and catch it again next year as that's the reality of evolution....We nor viruses are ever 'set' but evolve...thankfully most virus tend to weaken in severity over time as we are seeing here.

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BlueJay Flag UK 06 Sep 20 10.16pm

A study involving 139 health care workers who developed coronavirus infection and recovered, found that about 10 weeks after their initial symptoms, 37 percent of them were diagnosed with myocarditis or myopericarditis and fewer than half of those had showed symptoms at the time of their scans. [Link]

As more data comes out a clearer picture one way or the other will no doubt emerge. As will the nature of the heart issues, temporary or permanent.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 06 Sep 20 10.18pm

No Severe Side Effects for 2,000 São Paulo Volunteers Testing Oxford Vaccine - [Link]

 

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