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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 06 Sep 20 10.32pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

I have read a lot of pro lockdown, pro masks and pro anything restrictive the government has done to the point I think one of them might be a government stooge for Twitter. I haven’t seen this long haul or heart damage issue being raised that much, if at all actually, and they wouldn’t miss the opportunity either.

I do wonder if diet and lifestyle plays a big part in any cases of this, like it would with any other illness or disease. Again it’s something else to make me think how absurd this long term economic coma is. End of October and all furlough soon, or so we’re told, so we’ll see what people are made of.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 06 Sep 20 11.26pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

This whole bloody nightmare has been an exercise in over reaction and what happens with a wholly irresponsible political class and media scare millions of Karens and bedwetters.

A destroyed economy with significant incoming tax rises and sometimes dramatic consequences for millions of the poorest both here and aboard. God knows how many people's whose diagnoses to serious or deadly conditions were missed or delayed too long.....God knows how much long term unemployment will damage the vulnerable...It comes of course with its rise in suicide and all the rest of it.

As I and a few others correctly stated once the picture emerged, the cure will be worse than the disease.....but hey wear a mask bigot! Good Lord.

If the complications are worse for a percentage....I very much doubt that it's at a scale that will justify the ridiculous levels of fiscal self harm that's been inflicted and that's even forgoing the civic liberties that have been tossed aside like they are meaningless.

I think it would be rather a hard sell to all all those starving children to come over the next few years that their death was necessary because.....'nasty nasty flu' came with heart inflammation for a percent.

The Hong Kong flu we had in 68 killed a million worldwide yet people kept calm and carried on. I guess that back then we didn't have a media and social structure that enabled so frigging many feminized tarts.

Now I have little doubt that a time will come when a designed or whatever virus will emerge that is as dangerous or worst than the black death and severe restrictions and reactions will be required (if it's possible to do it then).

This wasn't it.


Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Sep 2020 6.51pm)

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 07 Sep 20 6.14pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Somewhere either in this thread or a related one I said that the newly launched Furlough scheme would lead to widespread fraud. Some agreed but said it was a necessary evil others pooh poohed it.

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I wished I had a dip could have done with some free money.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 07 Sep 20 7.06pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Somewhere either in this thread or a related one I said that the newly launched Furlough scheme would lead to widespread fraud. Some agreed but said it was a necessary evil others pooh poohed it.

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I wished I had a dip could have done with some free money.

That 'money tree' is soon going to look more like a bonsai.

A lot of people were happy to issue 'warm words' about closing down huge sections of the economy for months....but the harsh economic consequences are coming and have been filtering through and I genuinely hope it's short lived.

Even with these hard times, I know the government are still going to continue relying on increasing debt and continuing to mortgage our children's future....so they can 'kick the can down the road' to the next governing pleb and so on avoid their own financial responsibilities.

Still over time we will recover.......like most people with this virus....but without solving the debt mountain.

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BlueJay Flag UK 07 Sep 20 8.01pm

While it's worth pointing out that the coronavirus is going to wipe out many more than 1 million+, I've always been of the view that we should have geared towards protecting old folks homes, and let those at less risk get on with their lives. As I had said in my previous message, anything we do learn about the long term 'is not easy information to act on anyway as we need to keep the world turning regardless'.

My entire emphasis is that it's both possible to get on with life but also keep an eye on the science as it develops along the way. It might not be a direct path to understanding, but a body of data will eventually give a definitive answer on whether the vast majority have shrugged off a nothing virus, or have significant problems down the line. We do not yet know that for sure because it's not been around long enough to evaluate.

Holding an understandable interest in the health impact does not automatically follow that someone is frothing at the mouth for another lockdown. There's a bit more to life than social media bubble fueled tick box A or B, as communicating with people 'IRL' will attest to. People should make their own choices with regard to risk, especially where their livelihoods are concerned. The only sensible exceptions where the community comes before slight inconvenience to my mind are environments frequented by the elderly like shops, as well as public transport. In those scenarios I'm happy to hold a community outlook, as are the vast majority of others as way of being respectful and considerate of those who may be relying on that for the sake of their health or piece of mind.

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BlueJay Flag UK 07 Sep 20 8.12pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman


I do wonder if diet and lifestyle plays a big part in any cases of this, like it would with any other illness or disease. Again it’s something else to make me think how absurd this long term economic coma is. End of October and all furlough soon, or so we’re told, so we’ll see what people are made of.

While some are likely genetically unlucky, it's hard to argue that if you keep yourself fit, healthy and have a decent diet you're more likely to be able to weather any health related storm. If someone has auto immune issues, diabetes, is obese, or has other ongoing health deficiencies I can certainly see them having more of an otherwise avoidable battle for their health on their hands.

When combined with age that looks to be a good measure of any immediate threat to a persons health. As you've said before it's important to stay fit and healthy and I think you're right on that, people should see this as the perform time to get fighting fit.

 

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Touch HMG money and you are getting it.
Karma will catch up with all of these as one day they will drop the ball.
11 years is a long time and that's the time line.

 

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View Eden Eagle's Profile Eden Eagle Flag Kent 08 Sep 20 6.48am Send a Private Message to Eden Eagle Add Eden Eagle as a friend

To add some balance to the MSM narrative if you get 5 minutes have a read of the 1% blunder

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In effect claiming that CV19 is no more deadly than a bad flu year - hard to know who to believe anymore but the low current hospitalisations and death rates seem to support this?

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 08 Sep 20 7.57am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Another 300,000 redundancies and doubtless there are many more to come.

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 08 Sep 20 8.25am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Another 300,000 redundancies and doubtless there are many more to come.

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I think this was always going to happen the virus has just speeded up the inevitable and given companies the excuse they were looking for.

The bank branch network for instance, the big banks will privately admit they want to scrap it and replace it with regional sales offices for the difficult stuff like mortgages, pensions and so on.

They have been trying to do this for 20 years and have reduced the number of branches but it is always a fight with local people and politicians. Well now they have the perfect excuse people don't use cash any more and the banks have taken a bit financial hit.

My local Lloyds branch is a glorified cash point machine with 1 member of staff to help those who can't use the technology. It is often closed due to sickness so unreliable. Either they do without staff or just close it altogether. Buildings are another issue, many of the branches are in old conventional branches not suitable for providing a 24 hour automated service. I can see banks closing the branch and doing a deal with the local supermarket.

Anyway that is just one area of the economy and of course the high street is decimated.

There is going to be a lot more pain ahead.

 


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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 08 Sep 20 10.25am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

My biggest concern is pension pots.

For years, property portfolios have been a staple of most pensions, perhaps accounting for 20% of investments, sometimes more. Yields on property have until recent times been good. The High Street has taken a hammering however, even prime shops and offices are closing every day.

Warehousing/distribution has become the safe property to invest in but there is only so much of that about.

With this in mind where the hell do fund managers now securely place their investments. Some German funds are currently wanting payment to protect 0% interest bonds so this is bigger than just the UK too.

Could see a lot of pensions losing value the next 5 years.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 08 Sep 20 12.15pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

My biggest concern is pension pots.

For years, property portfolios have been a staple of most pensions, perhaps accounting for 20% of investments, sometimes more. Yields on property have until recent times been good. The High Street has taken a hammering however, even prime shops and offices are closing every day.

Warehousing/distribution has become the safe property to invest in but there is only so much of that about.

With this in mind where the hell do fund managers now securely place their investments. Some German funds are currently wanting payment to protect 0% interest bonds so this is bigger than just the UK too.

Could see a lot of pensions losing value the next 5 years.

They go into smaller countries and larger developments of private property. Thus mortgages and private houses belong to faceless funds. Largely, falsely inflating prices with the collusion of local planning officials, local government and higher elected officials.
This is in the UK and in Ireland and plenty of other places too. Commercial property means dealing with savvy business people and lawyers who also want a profit. But there is far more profit to make from 1000 young families without the hassle of them being able to do anything about how you treat them.
Investment funds are essentially the new slum landlords. Combine this with these 'house flippers' encouraged by TV programmes and you have the perfect storm for young people wanting to get on the property ladder - or find somewhere with affordable rent.
There is also no government construction due to poor management and outright, blatant corruption. It always makes me laugh how a much poorer Britain easily housed everyone. Now they do anything to not even manage their own stocks or just sell them off with no benefit to anyone.

 


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