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 Badger11  Beckenham 17 Nov 20 4.53pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I can understand your point - it would be cheaper. However, think about it - do you want to tell your friends, family and colleagues you gave them Covid 19? And would anyone? I wouldn't - I'm already quite unpopular with some of them! A friend is just recovering from the after effects. She met her friend for lunch and the next day she was ill and called her friend who also had the virus. Neither knew how they got it beyond the restaurant, did one give it to the other or was a third party involved?. Anyway it's nothing to be embarrassed about my friend says the track and trace worked well and all the relevant people were contacted although she had already done that herself just to be sure even calling the restaurant. Edited by Badger11 (17 Nov 2020 4.54pm)
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Nov 20 4.57pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
A friend is just recovering from the after effects. She met her friend for lunch and the next day she was ill and called her friend who also had the virus. Neither knew how they got it beyond the restaurant, did one give it to the other or was a third party involved?. Anyway it's nothing to be embarrassed about my friend says the track and trace worked well and all the relevant people were contacted although she had already done that herself just to be sure even calling the restaurant. Edited by Badger11 (17 Nov 2020 4.54pm) Again, I know what you mean. However, there are so many reasons why a person may not want to contact people, when you consider it. May not be just embarrassment. There has to be an official process, leaving it to the individual is problematic to say the least.
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| Phil’s Barber Crowborough 17 Nov 20 5.08pm |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
I'm still waiting for the second wave graph. The one which instigated the lockdown to be repeated. All I see is increases in positive tests, and increases in hospital admissions. Average death rates are normal as far as I can find. And even if all these vaccines prove to be safe, it will take at least two years to get the already terrified public to believe they can carry on as normal. Expect more of the same. For years to come. Here you go... The ninth consecutive weekly rise, with deaths on a steep upward curve and treble digit week on week increases.
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Attachment: | Mapletree Croydon 17 Nov 20 5.14pm |
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Originally posted by Ghostship
I watched that Dispatches on C4 last night. The most interesting bit was when they showed the self testing samples arriving by the box load. Some of the samples had leaked out of the tube onto other tubes they were packed in with therefore contaminating those making them false positive. I have always been a bit sceptical of the daily figures and this did nothing to ease those suspicions. Sending box loads of samples on a long journey to Ireland seems a hinderance to the whole process I thought it would be more regionalised. False positives are between 0.8 and 4%
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BlueJay  UK 17 Nov 20 6.04pm |
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Originally posted by Phil’s Barber
Here you go... The ninth consecutive weekly rise, with deaths on a steep upward curve and treble digit week on week increases. Indeed. Some seem to go out of their way to ignore the fact that deaths follow on from increased hospitalisations, which follow on from positive tests. It's a delay that we should well understand by now, being that we've already been through it once.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Nov 20 6.07pm |
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Originally posted by Phil’s Barber
Here you go... The ninth consecutive weekly rise, with deaths on a steep upward curve and treble digit week on week increases. With not much of an increase in excess deaths and the real flu season kicking in in December or just before, we unfortunately cannot draw conclusions on that graph you posted. I can bet that certain parts of the country around d where we are won’t have the same issues because the old people at the end of any chains there might be will be taking heed of the real issue and advice that can be life and death rather than the cases farce. Edited by Rudi Hedman (17 Nov 2020 6.43pm)
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Nov 20 6.53pm |
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From a personal perspective, I could do with a jolly nice pint in a Public House.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Nov 20 7.12pm |
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Excess deaths in 2020 (yes 2020 Maple) vs excess deaths average 2015-19 Edited by Rudi Hedman (17 Nov 2020 10.59pm)
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| Phil’s Barber Crowborough 17 Nov 20 8.25pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
With not much of an increase in excess deaths and the real flu season kicking in in December or just before, we unfortunately cannot draw conclusions on that graph you posted. I can bet that certain parts of the country around d where we are won’t have the same issues because the old people at the end of any chains there might be will be taking heed of the real issue and advice that can be life and death rather than the cases farce. Rudi, the graph posted was in response to TGH ‘64’s request for a graph showing recent COVID-19 deaths. I don’t think there is a more accurate and relevant graph, in the circumstances, than the Office for National Statistics OFFICIAL data and their own graph showing weekly COVID-19 deaths, the most recent release of which was today! (17/11). I’m merely providing the link to the data and the graph, I’m not asking anyone to draw any conclusions from it but if you are seriously telling me you can’t interpret what it is showing then in the interests of your own credibility, you should leave this subject well alone.
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Nov 20 8.59pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
From a personal perspective, I could do with a jolly nice pint in a Public House. I could do with a jolly ten.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Nov 20 9.07pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I could do with a jolly ten. Gone are the halcyon days when I used to sink several large shots of the most intoxicating fluid available.
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 17 Nov 20 9.22pm |
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Originally posted by Phil’s Barber
Here you go... The ninth consecutive weekly rise, with deaths on a steep upward curve and treble digit week on week increases. I said "second wave"! That isn't a graph showing why we needed a lockdown. It shows a trend that happened after lockdown. The average deaths are similar to, well, average. You do realise that death rates increase every autumn/winter? And you do realise that average means, er, average? If you look at the year on year deaths, they vary to a staggering degree. So the 5 year average is a tad misleading.
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