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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 30 Dec 20 10.07am Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

Let Roy steer us through the rest of this disrupted season, then move for Dyche at Burnley in the Summer. This looks like the best fit and he would jump at the chance of coming back south....


Assuming there will be a takeover, much will depend on what the new owners at Burnley decide to do with Dyche. If they keep him and give him money to spend, why would he want to leave? On the other hand, if they sack him because they want a marquee manager, he would become available before the summer.

Whatever we may think of him and his style of football he does at least know how to keep an unfashionable team in the PL with minimal financial support. Hang on, we've already got a manager who can do that!

Edited by doombear (30 Dec 2020 10.07am)

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Dec 20 10.17am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Assuming there will be a takeover, much will depend on what the new owners at Burnley decide to do with Dyche. If they keep him and give him money to spend, why would he want to leave? On the other hand, if they sack him because they want a marquee manager, he would become available before the summer.

Whatever we may think of him and his style of football he does at least know how to keep an unfashionable team in the PL with minimal financial support. Hang on, we've already got a manager who can do that!

Edited by doombear (30 Dec 2020 10.07am)

Very good.
The movement of my head resembled that of a nodding donkey.

 

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View Gary St.Andrews's Profile Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 30 Dec 20 10.26am Send a Private Message to Gary St.Andrews Add Gary St.Andrews as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Assuming there will be a takeover, much will depend on what the new owners at Burnley decide to do with Dyche. If they keep him and give him money to spend, why would he want to leave? On the other hand, if they sack him because they want a marquee manager, he would become available before the summer.

Whatever we may think of him and his style of football he does at least know how to keep an unfashionable team in the PL with minimal financial support. Hang on, we've already got a manager who can do that!

Edited by doombear (30 Dec 2020 10.07am)

Dyche looks good for a 73 year old!

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 30 Dec 20 10.39am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by doombear

if they sack him because they want a marquee manager, he would become available before the summer.

Whatever we may think of him and his style of football he does at least know how to keep an unfashionable team in the PL with minimal financial support. Hang on, we've already got a manager who can do that!

The big difference between Dyche and Hodgeson is that the former has complete control of footballing matters and is therefore unlikely to want to come to a club where he will be little more than a coach

 

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Originally posted by PatrickA

For every Potter there’s a Brendan Rodgers or Ralph Hasenhuthll.
To replace a staid manager with a progressive manager is not doomed to failure.
There’s a danger of being trapped into a mindset where we can only survive if we appoint a certain type of manager - Pulis, Allardyce, Pardew, Hodgson.
Where next - Pearson or Bruce?
The managers we’ve had have done sound jobs, but eventually we’ll run out of this type of candidate as there’s only a finite amount around still working!
To write off any change of approach ever because of the short lived experiment with DeBoer seems a tad over the top.

So true. Am in violent approval. Nuno was never a big manager before the Wolves appointment. Just sayin

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Dec 20 12.17pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE

So true. Am in violent approval. Nuno was never a big manager before the Wolves appointment. Just sayin

NES did manage Valencia and Porto before Wolves.

 

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View PZ Eagle's Profile PZ Eagle Flag Penzance 30 Dec 20 12.33pm Send a Private Message to PZ Eagle Add PZ Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE

So true. Am in violent approval. Nuno was never a big manager before the Wolves appointment. Just sayin

To add to what Willo just posted Wolves are practically a Portuguese team anyway. (yes I know Coady is English).

 


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View Plaistow Eagle's Profile Plaistow Eagle Flag 30 Dec 20 2.05pm Send a Private Message to Plaistow Eagle Add Plaistow Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

Ok - but I did question how you knew Roy “ melted into the background “ at half time and then you wrote that he was claiming the credit for allowing Ray to say his piece.

I accept they were your personal experiences and differ from mine - I too was fortunate enough to play and coach at a semi pro level. It won’t surprise you to know I had my say regarding in match performance and indeed it was expected.

Neither of our experiences are relevant to what happens in the professional game. Which is why I posted the piece on Wenger and Keown. I hope that gives some perspective now to the Ray Lew situation.

Having read your other posts, I am in full agreement with you in one thing at least - we both want the best for the club we love !

Happy New Year to you - Up The Palace !

Cheers Mate

Happy New Year to you and yours too..!!

COYP

 

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jeeagles Flag 30 Dec 20 3.07pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

Ok - but I did question how you knew Roy “ melted into the background “ at half time and then you wrote that he was claiming the credit for allowing Ray to say his piece.

I accept they were your personal experiences and differ from mine - I too was fortunate enough to play and coach at a semi pro level. It won’t surprise you to know I had my say regarding in match performance and indeed it was expected.

Neither of our experiences are relevant to what happens in the professional game. Which is why I posted the piece on Wenger and Keown. I hope that gives some perspective now to the Ray Lew situation.

Having read your other posts, I am in full agreement with you in one thing at least - we both want the best for the club we love !

Happy New Year to you - Up The Palace !

I won't turn this into a dig at Roy, but digressing. I'd be interested to know your opinion on the quality of coaching in football. I've been more involved in rugby , athletics, and boxing over the years. Other sports generally view football as pretty cumbersome inefficient in terms of resources and way behind the times.

That's why the likes of John Harbin can come in, sort out a teams fitness and take them from the bottom to the top of the league.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 30 Dec 20 3.20pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

I won't turn this into a dig at Roy, but digressing. I'd be interested to know your opinion on the quality of coaching in football. I've been more involved in rugby , athletics, and boxing over the years. Other sports generally view football as pretty cumbersome inefficient in terms of resources and way behind the times.

That's why the likes of John Harbin can come in, sort out a teams fitness and take them from the bottom to the top of the league.

As far as I'm aware, top football teams have embraced the very latest technology and techniques. I believe the top Italian sides were originally way ahead but even Palace players will have a strict diet and regime etc. There are no more drinking sessions in the top flight. Even saw small teams will have a data analyst and sports scientist now - like Stevenage for example. Large teams may have 5-10 employees just for analysis.
Rugby is now behind football - except at the very highest level. Teams like Saracens and England, however the French are relatively new to it all, but are now doing it. Ireland rugby have a top set up.

 


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jeeagles Flag 30 Dec 20 4.31pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

As far as I'm aware, top football teams have embraced the very latest technology and techniques. I believe the top Italian sides were originally way ahead but even Palace players will have a strict diet and regime etc. There are no more drinking sessions in the top flight. Even saw small teams will have a data analyst and sports scientist now - like Stevenage for example. Large teams may have 5-10 employees just for analysis.
Rugby is now behind football - except at the very highest level. Teams like Saracens and England, however the French are relatively new to it all, but are now doing it. Ireland rugby have a top set up.

Ireland? Seriously now, with Farrell? They've got a decent recruitment process with the province system that Wales tried to copy and failed but thats where it ends. Wales have had a fantastic fitness regime only eclipsed by New Zealand. Arguably England have caught up and overtaken New Zealand in terms of training, with results at all levels confirming that plus the outrageous amount of talent coming through.

French rugby is now starting to resemble English football... far too much money washing around and no opportunity for home grown talent.

Leicester adopter techniques that have been around for a decade in other sports and won the league. Liverpool and the England national team are now making great strives but generally it seems like the industry is reluctant to change. That's probably why Liverpool have managed to perform so well under Klopp because they don't seem to have any inefficiency in the organisation. Southgate's done an excellent route and branch review from top to bottom, but getting people to change attitudes seems to be the biggest obstical.

In terms of individual fitness & diet ragimes, players like Cristiano Ronaldo are miles ahead of most footballers especially when you compare him to the likes of Rooney, an ultra talented fat troll. I doubt the likes of James Haskil who was a fairly average international or any elite athlete you would be that far behind CR despite much smaller resources.

Apologies for the rant. I doubt anyone will read this.

 

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Originally posted by jeeagles

I won't turn this into a dig at Roy, but digressing. I'd be interested to know your opinion on the quality of coaching in football. I've been more involved in rugby , athletics, and boxing over the years. Other sports generally view football as pretty cumbersome inefficient in terms of resources and way behind the times.

That's why the likes of John Harbin can come in, sort out a teams fitness and take them from the bottom to the top of the league.

Mate

I'm not sure how qualified I am to answer your question.

I can only recount my own experience as a player - unlike you I didn't Manage our coach at Senior/Adult level.

As a player I was reasonable - but limited in terms of ability. I was quick, could tackle and could pass - you won't be surprised to hear I was a fullback.

On that basis was encouraged just to concentrate on that - I always remember my dear old Dad when I was at junior level on the side-lines, hit him early let him know you are around..!!

That was similar to my experience at Senior level - where there was limited coaching in terms of developing you as a player more concentration on making the most of attributes you already had.

Where I can speak with more authority is development at Youth level. I was fortunate enough through my Sons to become heavily involved in the building and development of our local Football Club - where we took them from having no youth teams to having teams at every age group from U6 to U17's, at some age groups 2 teams.

We became to be the "go to" team/Club in our area - trials in close season were a nightmare..!!

The big difference that I noticed compared to my own experience as a junior was that all coaches needed to be/were qualified - unlike when I was younger it was just a Guy that liked/had played football and was prepared to give up his time to run a junior team for local kids.

There was/is far more focus on developing core skills from a very young age, so not just working on where a player has natural attributes, but pro-actively working on and developing areas of weaknesses in a player.

Prime example as much as the boys hated it, playing games where they could only use their weaker foot - at a young age this was highlighted by them having to wear different colour socks on each leg.

They were/are encouraged to pass the ball from a very young age - whereas I was encouraged just to "put my foot through it".

Result - for example my youngest son - now 22 can hit a dead ball equally well with both his right and left foot - rare as "Hens teeth"..!!

Another thing was playing with their head up - if a player played a "blind pass" - game was stopped and player asked what they were trying to do and where they were trying to pass it.

Other big thing is the introduction of 7 as side, 9 a side at younger age groups - they don't play 11 a side a side until they get to u13's.

Consequently players get more time on the ball on smaller pitches, meaning they have to be able to control the ball, pass and have more awareness of making space etc..

Upshot total difference to when I played football as a junior - I remember when I was a junior at what 9/10 years of age - pitch was huge and it was just "kick and rush".

All of this is why I get so exasperated when I see a performance like our first half performance against Leicester where we couldn't string 2 passes together - kids of 8/9 years of age are now able to do that.

I also think that the St Georges park project has has had a huge impact - IMO it's no coincidence that we are seeing at England senior level so much exciting talent and excellent players coming through now 8 years after it's inception.

So in summary and in answer to your question grass roots and youth football IMO is far more organised, facilities and coaching so much better - meaning that we are seeing so much more quality coming through. So the future looks bright.

On Youth Football, kids and the coaches are great - it's the parents that can be a nightmare..!!

COYP

 

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