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View Pembroke's Profile Pembroke Flag Bristol 06 Apr 23 11.52am Send a Private Message to Pembroke Add Pembroke as a friend

Originally posted by footythoughts

I don't disagree in that where there are single use cubicles (which exist in their millions, both changing rooms and toilets even without this issue being a consideration), or possibly specific facilities for those who would be better suited to them, that sounds like a win-win. But beyond that I see no sense in doing away with sex based facilities at all as they clearly serve a purpose and I understand the desire to fight to keep them. I do think in trying to be exacting in every instance we get no further forward or just create different problems though (my 'biological sex' point) and that common sense is largey already in place and working.

Society certainly takes steps to ensure safety of people - as it should but we do also have to prise reality of risk from media and political narratives designed often to distract or scare rather than problem solve. We can forensically scrutinise trans people - who in all likelihood as no or little more inclined to crime than you or I - when countless numbers of the actual released rapists and murderers you mentioned (who are certainly objectively dangerous) likely swan in and out of public toilets and the like with nowhere near as much attention. I don't think an ultra focus on political faultlines really reveals much at all about the people at the centre of said focus, other than either artifically raising them up or dehumanising them, neither or which helps them or society as a whole.


That is exactly what should happen. Males are scrutinised, and that scrutiny has led to society creating single sex spaces. Society knows the sex of men represents a threat to women.99% of sexual crimes are committed by males and single sex spaces are a control, measure.

Now do trans women. Are there patterns in trans women behaviour that mirror males, or females?

Scrutiny reveals? Trans women appear to demonstrate a sexual offending rate that is higher than women. Its a male like behaviour. A minority of trans women behave like a minority of males.

I use the word appear, data is sketchy, but there are disproportionate themes that can be observed - The numbers of trans women in prisons for sexual crimes as a proportion v females and males is disproportionate high, no its massively disproportionate.

Sanity would be a lot more scrutiny on the whys, data collection, facts to inform societies practice and law.


 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 12 Apr 23 3.35pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

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Seriously

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 23 Apr 23 8.28pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Just watched an interesting series (Netflix) about Ted Kaczynski.

Turns out he wanted to change his gender and live as a woman before deciding not to and as an alternative sent out bombs to murder people all over the US.

Iím not saying this of course is relative to all those claiming to be something other than that they are but I think it a fair reflection of a proportion of those who seem ideologically possessed by the notion.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 25 Apr 23 7.44am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Apparently official figures on how many Trans people there are have been inflated.

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As usual the journalist don't bother to as the simple and obvious question.

These figures come from the census but why is the ONS using these numbers?

My understanding is that you have to obtain a Gender Recognition Certificate before the government will recognise you as a Trans so shouldn't the number of certificates be the source for their data.

Obviously there will be people who are going through the process so wouldn't be counted but as these are official numbers and the government / courts use them that should be the correct data source rather than a tick box on a census.

I once declared my nationality to be Klingon I kid you not it was the census where English as a nationality wasn't offered so in a pique I refused to add English under Other but put Klingon instead.

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One more point

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 25 Apr 23 8.03am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Going to throw something out there. Utterly bats*** by the way but bear with me.

The biggest increase in this trans stuff is girls to boys. Especially amongst teens. The men masquerading as women stuff is just a smoke screen to hide the real story.

Now I would assume that the medical process involved for women in this process is far more complex than that for men which is primarily cosmetic surgury. But for women, and girls in particular, it must be primarily a hysterectomy.

Are they effectively 'harvesting' something from those deluded girls?

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 25 Apr 23 2.41pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Going to throw something out there. Utterly bats*** by the way but bear with me.

The biggest increase in this trans stuff is girls to boys. Especially amongst teens. The men masquerading as women stuff is just a smoke screen to hide the real story.

Now I would assume that the medical process involved for women in this process is far more complex than that for men which is primarily cosmetic surgury. But for women, and girls in particular, it must be primarily a hysterectomy.

Are they effectively 'harvesting' something from those deluded girls?

Female to male would required a bi-lateral mastectomy, full hysterectomy (including ovaries) oestrogen suppression medication and testosterone pills.

Male to female requires removal of genitalia, cutting an opening for a 'v*****' lined with penile tissue and re-working of 'plumbing' pipework accordingly. The rest is done with drugs: oestrogen intake and testosterone suppression.
Later stages can include 'shaving' from Adam's apple to reduce it's prominence and shortening of vocal cords to raise pitch.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 25 Apr 23 4.50pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Going to throw something out there. Utterly bats*** by the way but bear with me.

The biggest increase in this trans stuff is girls to boys. Especially amongst teens. The men masquerading as women stuff is just a smoke screen to hide the real story.

Now I would assume that the medical process involved for women in this process is far more complex than that for men which is primarily cosmetic surgury. But for women, and girls in particular, it must be primarily a hysterectomy.

Are they effectively 'harvesting' something from those deluded girls?

Yup, their sanity as most will eventually regret having it done and go into mass depression and hurt or kill either themselves or someone else.
Maybe they should all get given a ride in a DeLorean.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 25 Apr 23 5.58pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Yup, their sanity as most will eventually regret having it done and go into mass depression and hurt or kill either themselves or someone else.
Maybe they should all get given a ride in a DeLorean.


The question for me is what is driving this entire lunacy? Because this is totally top down. Imposed on us rather than representing any grassroots desire.

Perhaps it is me just being me but my understanding of realpolitik is that everything that happens does for a reason. An advantage. And this translunacy has to fit into that.

There is no electoral advantage. If anything it ultimately damages political parties who champion it (see what is happening to the likes of the SNP).

But it still gets promoted across the mainstream political system. No matter who is in power, this s*** has taken hold. Only just recently William Hague went on record and said an institution such as the Women's Institute had to just accept Transwomen as members by way of progress. Why is this 'progress' just unquestionable?

The powers that be must be gaining something tangible from it. The simple law of politics. A completely artificial, in every sense of the word, concept somehow foisted on us in the West (and interestingly, predominantly in the Anglo-West).

For me, the only conclusion I can arrive at is that if it is not a vote winner then it must mean they are gaining something else. And that can ony come from what the terrible physical consequences of this are, primarily on women (who get slated the most for objecting to this).

And for what?

I can only strip this back to some kind of desire to effectively sterilise young girls and have access to what were their reproductive organs.

Utterly terrifying. Literal evil in every sense of the word.

 


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View Behind Enemy Lines's Profile Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 25 Apr 23 6.27pm Send a Private Message to Behind Enemy Lines Add Behind Enemy Lines as a friend

Originally posted by Matov


The question for me is what is driving this entire lunacy? Because this is totally top down. Imposed on us rather than representing any grassroots desire.

Perhaps it is me just being me but my understanding of realpolitik is that everything that happens does for a reason. An advantage. And this translunacy has to fit into that.

There is no electoral advantage. If anything it ultimately damages political parties who champion it (see what is happening to the likes of the SNP).

But it still gets promoted across the mainstream political system. No matter who is in power, this s*** has taken hold. Only just recently William Hague went on record and said an institution such as the Women's Institute had to just accept Transwomen as members by way of progress. Why is this 'progress' just unquestionable?

The powers that be must be gaining something tangible from it. The simple law of politics. A completely artificial, in every sense of the word, concept somehow foisted on us in the West (and interestingly, predominantly in the Anglo-West).

For me, the only conclusion I can arrive at is that if it is not a vote winner then it must mean they are gaining something else. And that can ony come from what the terrible physical consequences of this are, primarily on women (who get slated the most for objecting to this).

And for what?

I can only strip this back to some kind of desire to effectively sterilise young girls and have access to what were their reproductive organs.

Utterly terrifying. Literal evil in every sense of the word.


If you want to go down a conspiracy route concerning female organsÖmix this with the alleged alien abduction stories where people are experimented on (particularly involving reproduction organs), and maybe the further alleged cooperation between governments and aliens starts to make a bit more sense. Well, maybe not sense, but it would be a potential further piece of the jigsaw to add to the conspiracy theories.

 


hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 25 Apr 23 6.43pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines


If you want to go down a conspiracy route concerning female organsÖmix this with the alleged alien abduction stories where people are experimented on (particularly involving reproduction organs), and maybe the further alleged cooperation between governments and aliens starts to make a bit more sense. Well, maybe not sense, but it would be a potential further piece of the jigsaw to add to the conspiracy theories.

At this stage anything is possible (although hats off for that!).

My own second, second, second guess is that it might actually be more about the eternal quest for people who crave power. And I mean REAL power. Not the common or garden fame and fortune kind but the real 1% of the 1% kind. People like Blair are a good example of what I mean.

And for them, it's all about cheating death. The ultimate expression of the Faustian spirit. The only logical conclusion of the Nietzschean 'will to power' drive.

But I concede, in the realms of utter silver foil hat wearing, into the realms of balaclava donnning.

 


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I think you both are thinking too deeply about the wheres and whys. Think about the fact that kids used to be told no and given punishment or a reason why not. For about the last 20 years ( roughly when this subject could be spoken about) kids are told they can do what they want; no punishment at all. No homework, no sex education at school for years as itís Ďdirtyí. The system put in place to try to dissuade
( canít remember what itís called ) these people has been banned. Itís purely that imho.
The backlash in a few years will scare the f*** out of the hmgs and the question will be ď why didnít you stop me.Ē The minions are not responsible for this as protesting and seeing it as not Ďnormalí to cut your dick or tits off is seen as a hate crime now!
Frankly I donít give a s*** if people cut themselves but telling me itís normal is going to get the finger!

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 25 Apr 23 8.58pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

I think you both are thinking too deeply about the wheres and whys. Think about the fact that kids used to be told no and given punishment or a reason why not. For about the last 20 years ( roughly when this subject could be spoken about) kids are told they can do what they want; no punishment at all. No homework, no sex education at school for years as itís Ďdirtyí. The system put in place to try to dissuade
( canít remember what itís called ) these people has been banned. Itís purely that imho.
The backlash in a few years will scare the f*** out of the hmgs and the question will be ď why didnít you stop me.Ē The minions are not responsible for this as protesting and seeing it as not Ďnormalí to cut your dick or tits off is seen as a hate crime now!
Frankly I donít give a s*** if people cut themselves but telling me itís normal is going to get the finger!

I get all of that but just consider this...

The number of children, in particular, being referred to the Tavistock and Portman Foundation Trustís gender identity development service (Gids)óthe NHS service through which all UK candidates for a sex change under 18 are funnelledóis up from 77 in 2009 to 2,590 in 2018-9. But whatís almost as dramatic as the headline numbers are developments in who is transitioning. In November 2017, the Guardian reported that 70 per cent of referrals were female. This was a surprising statistic because only 10 years previously the overall ratio had been more like 75 per cent males seeking to be female, and indeed it is still the gender traffic in that direction that dominates the increasingly noisy, divisive and panic-inflected debate.

Ponder on those numbers. And the dynamics. Something is SERIOUSLY f***ed up about this. Throw in the attacks, in every way conceivable, on any woman who dares object (and they get far, far more viciously slated about this than men, posing enough of a question on its own).

As I constantly state, willing to accept every kind of slur going when it comes to what I have written about as my own take on the reasoning but even if people take the stance of writing me off as a fruit loop, the actual data is surely cause for massive concern on its own?


 


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