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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 28 Aug 22 12.41pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If you donít give power to politicians who do you want to give it to and how? I have often wondered if you truly believed in parliamentary democracy. I think we need to improve the way it works, by PR, give more power to MPs to control the government via secret voting and curtailing the whips.

I donít though see a better system.

I will say that I did believe in parliamentary democracy.

However, I look at society and what's happened with the variance between what people want and what they get. I don't think it works properly. Unlike you I don't believe in what is effectively socially liberal elitist authoritarianism. I look at the decline in social metrics and I realise the damage done.

As for what could replace it, I've put forward ideas in the past but I don't really care anymore. It's not my place to design the solutions.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Aug 22 1.22pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I will say that I did believe in parliamentary democracy.

However, I look at society and what's happened with the variance between what people want and what they get. I don't think it works properly. Unlike you I don't believe in what is effectively socially liberal elitist authoritarianism. I look at the decline in social metrics and I realise the damage done.

As for what could replace it, I've put forward ideas in the past but I don't really care anymore. It's not my place to design the solutions.

The beauty of democracy is that it is your place, along with everyone else, to design the solutions.

Moaning about anything, without having a better answer and then campaigning to convince others, is just a waste of everyone's time.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 28 Aug 22 1.37pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Itís rather difficult to respond to such a general assertion.

To answer in a similar fashion. There are, without doubt, more loons on the left than on the right.
I think the issues with Britain are more about the political class in general, but it would be fair to say that decisions are often ultimately taken by individuals.

When we look back at historical policy, it probably doesn't reflect well on either side of the house.


Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (28 Aug 2022 12.32pm)

Could not agree more on loons on the left (sorry about that!). But they haven't been in power for some time.

 

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View georgenorman's Profile georgenorman Flag 28 Aug 22 2.03pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The beauty of democracy is that it is your place, along with everyone else, to design the solutions.

Moaning about anything, without having a better answer and then campaigning to convince others, is just a waste of everyone's time.

How could we do that when we were in the EU. All 'solutions' were made by unelected commissioners. The MEPs that we elected by some PR rigmarole had about as much power as members of the North Korean Peoples Assembly.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 28 Aug 22 2.49pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

How could we do that when we were in the EU. All 'solutions' were made by unelected commissioners. The MEPs that we elected by some PR rigmarole had about as much power as members of the North Korean Peoples Assembly.

Are you sure that wasnít the peoples assembly for North Korea.
Sorry couldnít resist it

 

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View eritheagle's Profile eritheagle Flag Erith 28 Aug 22 3.19pm Send a Private Message to eritheagle Add eritheagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Are you sure that wasnít the peoples assembly for North Korea.
Sorry couldnít resist it

yellow card for being a very naughty boy!

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 28 Aug 22 3.39pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by eritheagle

yellow card for being a very naughty boy!

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Aug 22 4.17pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

How could we do that when we were in the EU. All 'solutions' were made by unelected commissioners. The MEPs that we elected by some PR rigmarole had about as much power as members of the North Korean Peoples Assembly.


All the time you believe that, nothing I will say is going to convince you otherwise.

You either believe in democracy or you donít. The EU model cannot be similar to those of itís members. Unless it federalises and even then it wouldnít be the same. It is though democratic.


 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 28 Aug 22 4.32pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The beauty of democracy is that it is your place, along with everyone else, to design the solutions.

Moaning about anything, without having a better answer and then campaigning to convince others, is just a waste of everyone's time.

That's about as accurate as your regular commentary.....sounds straight out of marketing and about as honest.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Aug 2022 9.03pm)

 


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View georgenorman's Profile georgenorman Flag 28 Aug 22 6.50pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

All the time you believe that, nothing I will say is going to convince you otherwise.

You either believe in democracy or you donít. The EU model cannot be similar to those of itís members. Unless it federalises and even then it wouldnít be the same. It is though democratic.

If you can't elect the people that make the laws that govern you, then you don't live in a democracy.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Aug 22 8.44pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

If you can't elect the people that make the laws that govern you, then you don't live in a democracy.

You do now, and you did when we were a member of the EU, even if it was less direct.

Some things are worth making compromises for. Having a greater say in your own decline is a pyrrhic victory.

 

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View georgenorman's Profile georgenorman Flag 29 Aug 22 7.46am Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You do now, and you did when we were a member of the EU, even if it was less direct.

Some things are worth making compromises for. Having a greater say in your own decline is a pyrrhic victory.

When we were in the EU we did not live in a full democracy and had our membership continued we would have become less and less democratic.
I repeat, if you can't vote for or against those that make your laws, then you don't live in a democracy.

Edited by georgenorman (29 Aug 2022 7.49am)

 

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