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 Stirlingsays  28 Aug 22 12.41pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If you don’t give power to politicians who do you want to give it to and how? I have often wondered if you truly believed in parliamentary democracy. I think we need to improve the way it works, by PR, give more power to MPs to control the government via secret voting and curtailing the whips. I don’t though see a better system. I will say that I did believe in parliamentary democracy. However, I look at society and what's happened with the variance between what people want and what they get. I don't think it works properly. Unlike you I don't believe in what is effectively socially liberal elitist authoritarianism. I look at the decline in social metrics and I realise the damage done. As for what could replace it, I've put forward ideas in the past but I don't really care anymore. It's not my place to design the solutions.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Aug 22 1.22pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I will say that I did believe in parliamentary democracy. However, I look at society and what's happened with the variance between what people want and what they get. I don't think it works properly. Unlike you I don't believe in what is effectively socially liberal elitist authoritarianism. I look at the decline in social metrics and I realise the damage done. As for what could replace it, I've put forward ideas in the past but I don't really care anymore. It's not my place to design the solutions. The beauty of democracy is that it is your place, along with everyone else, to design the solutions. Moaning about anything, without having a better answer and then campaigning to convince others, is just a waste of everyone's time.
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| silvertop Portishead 28 Aug 22 1.37pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It’s rather difficult to respond to such a general assertion. To answer in a similar fashion. There are, without doubt, more loons on the left than on the right. When we look back at historical policy, it probably doesn't reflect well on either side of the house.
Could not agree more on loons on the left (sorry about that!). But they haven't been in power for some time.
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| georgenorman 28 Aug 22 2.03pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The beauty of democracy is that it is your place, along with everyone else, to design the solutions. Moaning about anything, without having a better answer and then campaigning to convince others, is just a waste of everyone's time. How could we do that when we were in the EU. All 'solutions' were made by unelected commissioners. The MEPs that we elected by some PR rigmarole had about as much power as members of the North Korean Peoples Assembly.
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cryrst  The garden of England 28 Aug 22 2.49pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
How could we do that when we were in the EU. All 'solutions' were made by unelected commissioners. The MEPs that we elected by some PR rigmarole had about as much power as members of the North Korean Peoples Assembly. Are you sure that wasn’t the peoples assembly for North Korea.
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| eritheagle Erith 28 Aug 22 3.19pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Are you sure that wasn’t the peoples assembly for North Korea. yellow card for being a very naughty boy!
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 28 Aug 22 3.39pm |
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Originally posted by eritheagle
yellow card for being a very naughty boy! Splitter
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Aug 22 4.17pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
How could we do that when we were in the EU. All 'solutions' were made by unelected commissioners. The MEPs that we elected by some PR rigmarole had about as much power as members of the North Korean Peoples Assembly.
You either believe in democracy or you don’t. The EU model cannot be similar to those of it’s members. Unless it federalises and even then it wouldn’t be the same. It is though democratic.
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| Stirlingsays 28 Aug 22 4.32pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The beauty of democracy is that it is your place, along with everyone else, to design the solutions. Moaning about anything, without having a better answer and then campaigning to convince others, is just a waste of everyone's time. That's about as accurate as your regular commentary.....sounds straight out of marketing and about as honest. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Aug 2022 9.03pm)
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| georgenorman 28 Aug 22 6.50pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
All the time you believe that, nothing I will say is going to convince you otherwise. You either believe in democracy or you don’t. The EU model cannot be similar to those of it’s members. Unless it federalises and even then it wouldn’t be the same. It is though democratic. If you can't elect the people that make the laws that govern you, then you don't live in a democracy.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Aug 22 8.44pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
If you can't elect the people that make the laws that govern you, then you don't live in a democracy. You do now, and you did when we were a member of the EU, even if it was less direct. Some things are worth making compromises for. Having a greater say in your own decline is a pyrrhic victory.
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| georgenorman 29 Aug 22 7.46am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You do now, and you did when we were a member of the EU, even if it was less direct. Some things are worth making compromises for. Having a greater say in your own decline is a pyrrhic victory. When we were in the EU we did not live in a full democracy and had our membership continued we would have become less and less democratic. Edited by georgenorman (29 Aug 2022 7.49am)
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