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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 31 Jan 19 2.15pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Oh please attach our selves to this lot
BBC News - Italy in recession amid sluggish eurozone
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If you followed an earlier thread on here, I think bond yields, debt, youth unemployment and Italian bank liquidity were flagged.

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 31 Jan 19 2.33pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

I've seen communities up and down the country change. I look long term and voted so my community doesn't change from its current identity. It's called democracy.
Voting leave was also a protest vote to the government on how badly their immigration policy is.
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I don't blame the foreigners I blame our government for allowing big buisness to bully them for cheap labour

For all those people that say the above reasons for voting are not representative of the general weight of the leave vote, here it is (unsurprisingly) in black and white. Having the username align with the stereotype is just a nice bonus, I suppose.

Good luck with the long term strategy. It might be a shock for you to hear it, but your expectations as a result of a leave vote are insanely misguided. Brexit and the EU is small fry compared with what globalisation (already here), and automation is doing, and will continue to do to those communities. It's over already. Same old story – adapt or die. Most people can't, so that's the reality we're in.

What's the one thing cheaper than migrant labour? AI and automated services. Driverless cars. Robotic deliveries. What's the main thing propping up the UK employment rate? The gig economy. Uber. Deliveroo. Say bye bye to those over the next 20 years. Immigration is, more or less, a red herring in an increasingly Globalised and automated global economy.

By the way I'm not saying this is 'right', or advocating for it, or even saying it's 'progress', I'm just saying that is what it is. And there is literally nothing you can do about it. If you voted out because of immigration and to try to stop change, it's meaningless. You'll die an even more unhappy man.

'So my community doesn't change from its current identity' – this made me chuckle. Change has always happened. Just look at the last 200 years. The difference is, even during the industrial revolution, change happened very gradually. Nowadays, what used to take 10 years takes 1. And that's when people start to notice. However, this change will happen faster and more disruptively than ever before, and it will happen regardless of in or out of the EU. I also find the less immigration = less change argument even more ridiculous seeing as net immigration is not expected to decrease by anywhere near as much as would be required to have the kind of effect you voted for.

As for the protest vote, that's your right, but really? Did you expect that it would actually make a difference in the way you wanted it to? I personally voted on the limited facts that were available to me at the time, rather than using one of the most important votes in our history as some form of personal vendetta.

Maybe next time use that dissent to organise a movement, galvanise the masses and really start to make a difference. As violent as they are, the gilets jaunes are a good example of what might be to come when jobs start disappearing.

Where we're heading will be much like the end of the industrial era and the resulting wasteland that it created in most mining communities, mainly in the midlands and the north. The same will happen all over again. Them be the breaks.

 


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W12 31 Jan 19 3.01pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

For all those people that say the above reasons for voting are not representative of the general weight of the leave vote, here it is (unsurprisingly) in black and white. Having the username align with the stereotype is just a nice bonus, I suppose.

Good luck with the long term strategy. It might be a shock for you to hear it, but your expectations as a result of a leave vote are insanely misguided. Brexit and the EU is small fry compared with what globalisation (already here), and automation is doing, and will continue to do to those communities. It's over already. Same old story – adapt or die. Most people can't, so that's the reality we're in.

What's the one thing cheaper than migrant labour? AI and automated services. Driverless cars. Robotic deliveries. What's the main thing propping up the UK employment rate? The gig economy. Uber. Deliveroo. Say bye bye to those over the next 20 years. Immigration is, more or less, a red herring in an increasingly Globalised and automated global economy.

By the way I'm not saying this is 'right', or advocating for it, or even saying it's 'progress', I'm just saying that is what it is. And there is literally nothing you can do about it. If you voted out because of immigration and to try to stop change, it's meaningless. You'll die an even more unhappy man.

'So my community doesn't change from its current identity' – this made me chuckle. Change has always happened. Just look at the last 200 years. The difference is, even during the industrial revolution, change happened very gradually. Nowadays, what used to take 10 years takes 1. And that's when people start to notice. However, this change will happen faster and more disruptively than ever before, and it will happen regardless of in or out of the EU. I also find the less immigration = less change argument even more ridiculous seeing as net immigration is not expected to decrease by anywhere near as much as would be required to have the kind of effect you voted for.

As for the protest vote, that's your right, but really? Did you expect that it would actually make a difference in the way you wanted it to? I personally voted on the limited facts that were available to me at the time, rather than using one of the most important votes in our history as some form of personal vendetta.

Maybe next time use that dissent to organise a movement, galvanise the masses and really start to make a difference. As violent as they are, the gilets jaunes are a good example of what might be to come when jobs start disappearing.

Where we're heading will be much like the end of the industrial era and the resulting wasteland that it created in most mining communities, mainly in the midlands and the north. The same will happen all over again. Them be the breaks.

Don't disagree that automation and technology will have these effects but mass immigration of cheap unskilled labor from countries with huge cultural and social problems into the west is clearly putting the stability of western countries at risk. The native population of this country is now unable to replace itself based on the number of children we are having so without mass immigration we could be downsizing our population somewhat to accommodate that but more importantly maintain some level of national identity and social cohesion.

The west in general (despite what the Marxists may have told you) has so far been hugely successful in steadily reducing global poverty rates over time and needs to be able to protect it's own interests in order to continue to achieve that. That's in *everyone's* interest.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 31 Jan 19 3.06pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

For all those people that say the above reasons for voting are not representative of the general weight of the leave vote, here it is (unsurprisingly) in black and white. Having the username align with the stereotype is just a nice bonus, I suppose.

Good luck with the long term strategy. It might be a shock for you to hear it, but your expectations as a result of a leave vote are insanely misguided. Brexit and the EU is small fry compared with what globalisation (already here), and automation is doing, and will continue to do to those communities. It's over already. Same old story – adapt or die. Most people can't, so that's the reality we're in.

What's the one thing cheaper than migrant labour? AI and automated services. Driverless cars. Robotic deliveries. What's the main thing propping up the UK employment rate? The gig economy. Uber. Deliveroo. Say bye bye to those over the next 20 years. Immigration is, more or less, a red herring in an increasingly Globalised and automated global economy.

By the way I'm not saying this is 'right', or advocating for it, or even saying it's 'progress', I'm just saying that is what it is. And there is literally nothing you can do about it. If you voted out because of immigration and to try to stop change, it's meaningless. You'll die an even more unhappy man.

'So my community doesn't change from its current identity' – this made me chuckle. Change has always happened. Just look at the last 200 years. The difference is, even during the industrial revolution, change happened very gradually. Nowadays, what used to take 10 years takes 1. And that's when people start to notice. However, this change will happen faster and more disruptively than ever before, and it will happen regardless of in or out of the EU. I also find the less immigration = less change argument even more ridiculous seeing as net immigration is not expected to decrease by anywhere near as much as would be required to have the kind of effect you voted for.

As for the protest vote, that's your right, but really? Did you expect that it would actually make a difference in the way you wanted it to? I personally voted on the limited facts that were available to me at the time, rather than using one of the most important votes in our history as some form of personal vendetta.

Maybe next time use that dissent to organise a movement, galvanise the masses and really start to make a difference. As violent as they are, the gilets jaunes are a good example of what might be to come when jobs start disappearing.

Where we're heading will be much like the end of the industrial era and the resulting wasteland that it created in most mining communities, mainly in the midlands and the north. The same will happen all over again. Them be the breaks.

I agree with a lot of what you say about automation. However if we are going to lose many low wage unskilled jobs to technology it doesn't make sense to import large numbers of unskilled workers.

It does make sense to have an immigration policy that identifies skill gaps in the market.

 


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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

For all those people that say the above reasons for voting are not representative of the general weight of the leave vote, here it is (unsurprisingly) in black and white. Having the username align with the stereotype is just a nice bonus, I suppose.

Good luck with the long term strategy. It might be a shock for you to hear it, but your expectations as a result of a leave vote are insanely misguided. Brexit and the EU is small fry compared with what globalisation (already here), and automation is doing, and will continue to do to those communities. It's over already. Same old story – adapt or die. Most people can't, so that's the reality we're in.

What's the one thing cheaper than migrant labour? AI and automated services. Driverless cars. Robotic deliveries. What's the main thing propping up the UK employment rate? The gig economy. Uber. Deliveroo. Say bye bye to those over the next 20 years. Immigration is, more or less, a red herring in an increasingly Globalised and automated global economy.

By the way I'm not saying this is 'right', or advocating for it, or even saying it's 'progress', I'm just saying that is what it is. And there is literally nothing you can do about it. If you voted out because of immigration and to try to stop change, it's meaningless. You'll die an even more unhappy man.

'So my community doesn't change from its current identity' – this made me chuckle. Change has always happened. Just look at the last 200 years. The difference is, even during the industrial revolution, change happened very gradually. Nowadays, what used to take 10 years takes 1. And that's when people start to notice. However, this change will happen faster and more disruptively than ever before, and it will happen regardless of in or out of the EU. I also find the less immigration = less change argument even more ridiculous seeing as net immigration is not expected to decrease by anywhere near as much as would be required to have the kind of effect you voted for.

As for the protest vote, that's your right, but really? Did you expect that it would actually make a difference in the way you wanted it to? I personally voted on the limited facts that were available to me at the time, rather than using one of the most important votes in our history as some form of personal vendetta.

Maybe next time use that dissent to organise a movement, galvanise the masses and really start to make a difference. As violent as they are, the gilets jaunes are a good example of what might be to come when jobs start disappearing.

Where we're heading will be much like the end of the industrial era and the resulting wasteland that it created in most mining communities, mainly in the midlands and the north. The same will happen all over again. Them be the breaks.

I guess its fortunate we're at the forefront of AI development across the WORLD then with companies such as Deepmind etc

Edited by Lyons550 (31 Jan 2019 3.20pm)

 


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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

For all those people that say the above reasons for voting are not representative of the general weight of the leave vote, here it is (unsurprisingly) in black and white. Having the username align with the stereotype is just a nice bonus, I suppose.

Good luck with the long term strategy. It might be a shock for you to hear it, but your expectations as a result of a leave vote are insanely misguided. Brexit and the EU is small fry compared with what globalisation (already here), and automation is doing, and will continue to do to those communities. It's over already. Same old story – adapt or die. Most people can't, so that's the reality we're in.

What's the one thing cheaper than migrant labour? AI and automated services. Driverless cars. Robotic deliveries. What's the main thing propping up the UK employment rate? The gig economy. Uber. Deliveroo. Say bye bye to those over the next 20 years. Immigration is, more or less, a red herring in an increasingly Globalised and automated global economy.

By the way I'm not saying this is 'right', or advocating for it, or even saying it's 'progress', I'm just saying that is what it is. And there is literally nothing you can do about it. If you voted out because of immigration and to try to stop change, it's meaningless. You'll die an even more unhappy man.

'So my community doesn't change from its current identity' – this made me chuckle. Change has always happened. Just look at the last 200 years. The difference is, even during the industrial revolution, change happened very gradually. Nowadays, what used to take 10 years takes 1. And that's when people start to notice. However, this change will happen faster and more disruptively than ever before, and it will happen regardless of in or out of the EU. I also find the less immigration = less change argument even more ridiculous seeing as net immigration is not expected to decrease by anywhere near as much as would be required to have the kind of effect you voted for.

As for the protest vote, that's your right, but really? Did you expect that it would actually make a difference in the way you wanted it to? I personally voted on the limited facts that were available to me at the time, rather than using one of the most important votes in our history as some form of personal vendetta.

Maybe next time use that dissent to organise a movement, galvanise the masses and really start to make a difference. As violent as they are, the gilets jaunes are a good example of what might be to come when jobs start disappearing.

Where we're heading will be much like the end of the industrial era and the resulting wasteland that it created in most mining communities, mainly in the midlands and the north. The same will happen all over again. Them be the breaks.

Yes just look at the last 200 years, we have never had so much debt and crime. The main debt came from owing the USA for a war against the Germans which took us from number one richest country to 6th. Now look at the Germans! Wanting an army and they wonder why we object.
Look at crime in London, it's never been so bad!! I hope your enjoying the now, I prefurd the before I guess so did most who voted leave.

 

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Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Yes just look at the last 200 years, we have never had so much debt and crime. The main debt came from owing the USA for a war against the Germans which took us from number one richest country to 6th. Now look at the Germans! Wanting an army and they wonder why we object.
Look at crime in London, it's never been so bad!! I hope your enjoying the now, I prefurd the before I guess so did most who voted leave.

Good for you, but leaving won't make a blind bit of difference to solving your personal reasons for voting, which was the main point of my post. As long as you're aware of that, then great. Enjoy the inevitable. I also hope that you have a job that is protected from what is coming (well here now, really). If you don't, then it's really your own fault if you inevitably lose it.

The irony of universal income potentially being the only salvation for people that currently vilify (wrongly or rightly) the benefits and welfare system is too delicious to contemplate. Especially when they are unlikely to have even contemplated that themselves. Retrain and reframe.

A side note on the Jerrys eh? What a bunch of European b******s. I do wonder if you've ever been to Europe. Or anywhere other than a resort or the Costa Del Sol for that matter.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (31 Jan 2019 5.20pm)

 


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Originally posted by Lyons550

I guess its fortunate we're at the forefront of AI development across the WORLD then with companies such as Deepmind etc

Edited by Lyons550 (31 Jan 2019 3.20pm)

We lost that race. China is ahead of everyone when it comes to AI. And the gap is only growing, despite the best efforts of the west.

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

I agree with a lot of what you say about automation. However if we are going to lose many low wage unskilled jobs to technology it doesn't make sense to import large numbers of unskilled workers.

It does make sense to have an immigration policy that identifies skill gaps in the market.

Well it does when it's not happening now and to not do so would, according to those in power, result in negative growth. Got to bridge the gap somehow. It will be gradual over the next 20/30 years, partly because of technology, partly because of legislation, partly because of rules and regulations and partly due to stalling while they figure out how to avoid inevitable mass unemployment causing a massive revolt.

 


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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Well it does when it's not happening now and to not do so would, according to those in power, result in negative growth. Got to bridge the gap somehow. It will be gradual over the next 20/30 years, partly because of technology, partly because of legislation, partly because of rules and regulations and partly due to stalling while they figure out how to avoid inevitable mass unemployment causing a massive revolt.

But apart from that we have a bright future.

Sadly I think a lot of what you say will happen. Its why politicians have to start addressing this soon manage the change rather than wait until it happens all at once. The last time we had a major change in the economy was in the 1980's a lot of people lost their change in a short space of time. The decline could have been managed better and over a longer period if we had started in the 1970's.

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

But apart from that we have a bright future.

Sadly I think a lot of what you say will happen. Its why politicians have to start addressing this soon manage the change rather than wait until it happens all at once. The last time we had a major change in the economy was in the 1980's a lot of people lost their change in a short space of time. The decline could have been managed better and over a longer period if we had started in the 1970's.

The end of Bretton-Woods in the 70's is where all the problems started.

 


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The seed.
Google and watch
Quite scary with its concept and potential.
I think the war we need to reduce the planets population might be closer than we think.
Could be a war on want creating the reduction in people though.

 

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