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cryrst The garden of England 26 May 20 6.58am
Originally posted by croydon proud Depends if he kept gloves on, or mingled, why can"t he remember? I think, if youre honest, anyone would remember if they fuelled up on a 270 mile journey, especially a month ago, unless you had something to hide, keep supporting him thou mate,i" just happy to see 20 odd of your fellow CONS not happy, its a start! Whatever happens there is no election coming. Your glee at this ripple in the water is quite typical of voters who's party lost an election and still cannot beleive it. If the rate starts to rise it is nothing to do with anyone but themselves. When boris locks us down again I hope all the press and piers morgan types are happy when people really are dying and jobless. Although it wont affect them will it. Wake up and smell the coffee. If you want to cut your wrists properly do it long ways not across. That's what divs are metaphorically doing by mixing over one incident. If he had walked I'm sure everyone would rigidly stick to the rules, just out of principle of course.
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The garden of England 26 May 20 6.58am

Originally posted by croydon proud

Depends if he kept gloves on, or mingled, why can"t he remember? I think, if youre honest, anyone would remember if they fuelled up on a 270 mile journey, especially a month ago, unless you had something to hide, keep supporting him thou mate,i" just happy to see 20 odd of your fellow CONS not happy, its a start!

Whatever happens there is no election coming.
Your glee at this ripple in the water is quite typical of voters who's party lost an election and still cannot beleive it. If the rate starts to rise it is nothing to do with anyone but themselves. When boris locks us down again I hope all the press and piers morgan types are happy when people really are dying and jobless. Although it wont affect them will it. Wake up and smell the coffee. If you want to cut your wrists properly do it long ways not across. That's what divs are metaphorically doing by mixing over one incident. If he had walked I'm sure everyone would rigidly stick to the rules, just out of principle of course.

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Spiderman Horsham 26 May 20 7.03am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Firstly, I didn't describe you as a "foot soldier". I merely used an analogy. I have no idea what rank you rose to. Secondly, you have now modified your assertion to the majority, which although extremely unlikely also allows the possibility that 49% are competent. In my experience most senior managers in any business can transfer their skills to another related, but not identical one. What's required is a grasp of man-management, resource allocation, time scales and budgetary control etc etc. The detail is delegated to the specialists who work for you. Routinely changing such people keeps the departments fresh and from complacency setting in. So 52% is a majority. It is obvious you know better than someone who has seen it first hand so there seems little point in discussing it further
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Horsham 26 May 20 7.03am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Firstly, I didn't describe you as a "foot soldier". I merely used an analogy. I have no idea what rank you rose to.

Secondly, you have now modified your assertion to the majority, which although extremely unlikely also allows the possibility that 49% are competent.

In my experience most senior managers in any business can transfer their skills to another related, but not identical one. What's required is a grasp of man-management, resource allocation, time scales and budgetary control etc etc. The detail is delegated to the specialists who work for you. Routinely changing such people keeps the departments fresh and from complacency setting in.

So 52% is a majority. It is obvious you know better than someone who has seen it first hand so there seems little point in discussing it further

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Spiderman Horsham 26 May 20 7.10am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle That’s one view. Personally I found a frequently changing stream of senior managers extremely detrimental. Any reservations about their often daft ideas was dismissed as “being negative”. The fact that a lot of their ideas had been previously found to fail was ignored. There are too many people in senior positions who see successive jobs as stepping stones and are only interested in change for changes sake as a notch on their cv. The mess they left behind when they moved on was just grist to mill of the next innovator. This process was repeated for years. Spot on. They build up no experience by moving around to different departments that are totally different to each other. They refuse to listen to those with experience and the attitude is “don’t tell it cannot be done, it will be done” disasters galore. Access to staff surveys should lead some on here to believe the “foot soldiers” may actually be right about them
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Horsham 26 May 20 7.10am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

That’s one view. Personally I found a frequently changing stream of senior managers extremely detrimental. Any reservations about their often daft ideas was dismissed as “being negative”. The fact that a lot of their ideas had been previously found to fail was ignored.
There are too many people in senior positions who see successive jobs as stepping stones and are only interested in change for changes sake as a notch on their cv. The mess they left behind when they moved on was just grist to mill of the next innovator. This process was repeated for years.

Spot on. They build up no experience by moving around to different departments that are totally different to each other. They refuse to listen to those with experience and the attitude is “don’t tell it cannot be done, it will be done” disasters galore. Access to staff surveys should lead some on here to believe the “foot soldiers” may actually be right about them

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Midlands Eagle 26 May 20 7.10am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman At least one of the newspapers has a double page spread with loads of photos of socialising and the headline, ‘May as well.’ It’s this kind of sanctimonious shyte that’s the problem, not someone who looked after his son, kept a distance and apart from everyone, including his elderly parents who lived in a different building. Everybody knows who’s vulnerable and at risk now. To start pointing the finger on the possibility that a load of people not at risk might die is so pathetic but expected. If people do start to ignore the rules and there is a resulting spike in new cases (and deaths) it won't be Cummings' fault but the media, especially the BBC who just won't let it go. Hopefully at today's press briefing whoever fronts it will refuse to answer any more Cummings related questions
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

At least one of the newspapers has a double page spread with loads of photos of socialising and the headline, ‘May as well.’ It’s this kind of sanctimonious shyte that’s the problem, not someone who looked after his son, kept a distance and apart from everyone, including his elderly parents who lived in a different building.

Everybody knows who’s vulnerable and at risk now. To start pointing the finger on the possibility that a load of people not at risk might die is so pathetic but expected.

If people do start to ignore the rules and there is a resulting spike in new cases (and deaths) it won't be Cummings' fault but the media, especially the BBC who just won't let it go.

Hopefully at today's press briefing whoever fronts it will refuse to answer any more Cummings related questions

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Spiderman Horsham 26 May 20 7.15am
Originally posted by Mapletree Hearsay? Once exposed he admitted it. Really? What about the claimed second visit? or should those media lies just be swept under the carpet?
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Horsham 26 May 20 7.15am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Hearsay? Once exposed he admitted it.

Really? What about the claimed second visit? or should those media lies just be swept under the carpet?

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Spiderman Horsham 26 May 20 7.31am
Originally posted by DanH Actually full blown deluded Don’t be so hard on yourself
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Horsham 26 May 20 7.31am

Originally posted by DanH

Actually full blown deluded

Don’t be so hard on yourself

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Spiderman Horsham 26 May 20 7.33am
Originally posted by cryrst My meighbours have constantly broke the distancing rules. It doesnt make me want to. The same has happened in my road since day 1, I haven’t broken the rules although it has been tempting at times
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Horsham 26 May 20 7.33am

Originally posted by cryrst

My meighbours have constantly broke the distancing rules. It doesnt make me want to.

The same has happened in my road since day 1, I haven’t broken the rules although it has been tempting at times

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Spiderman Horsham 26 May 20 7.42am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Are you really missing the point? The rules have changed since Cummings made his trip but that's not the point. The point is that by allowing him to break the rules by finding all kinds of excuses and exceptions will impact on how others behave. Whether they should, or not, is another matter. Cummings ought not to have done so but he did, and so will others as a consequence of his example and Johnson condoning it. If the suggestion is that this will lead to more deaths than by taking a firm line with Cummings (whether you believe that firm line is justified or not) then firm line it has to be. How can they say it will lead to more deaths? It may do but there is as much chance that it won’t. Are these the same scientists that said there was scientific evidence to prove that, if my daughter visited us, she could meet only one of us at a time? That, imo, was one of the most ridiculous “rules” published.
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Horsham 26 May 20 7.42am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Are you really missing the point?

The rules have changed since Cummings made his trip but that's not the point.

The point is that by allowing him to break the rules by finding all kinds of excuses and exceptions will impact on how others behave.

Whether they should, or not, is another matter. Cummings ought not to have done so but he did, and so will others as a consequence of his example and Johnson condoning it.

If the suggestion is that this will lead to more deaths than by taking a firm line with Cummings (whether you believe that firm line is justified or not) then firm line it has to be.

How can they say it will lead to more deaths? It may do but there is as much chance that it won’t. Are these the same scientists that said there was scientific evidence to prove that, if my daughter visited us, she could meet only one of us at a time? That, imo, was one of the most ridiculous “rules” published.

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Stirlingsays 26 May 20 7.54am
Originally posted by DanH Actually full blown deluded Back to your usual deep analysis I see. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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26 May 20 7.54am

Originally posted by DanH

Actually full blown deluded

Back to your usual deep analysis I see.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Midlands Eagle 26 May 20 8.26am
Originally posted by Spiderman Are these the same scientists that said there was scientific evidence to prove that, if my daughter visited us, she could meet only one of us at a time? Unless she wanted to buy your house
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26 May 20 8.26am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Are these the same scientists that said there was scientific evidence to prove that, if my daughter visited us, she could meet only one of us at a time?

Unless she wanted to buy your house

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Mapletree Croydon 26 May 20 8.39am
Originally posted by Spiderman Really? What about the claimed second visit? or should those media lies just be swept under the carpet? Right. Multiple concerns, one of which was only an allegation and appears false. The rest, largely, he admits. The big stuff like taking a child apparently exposed to the virus to a hospital 260 miles away. Talk about clutching at straws.
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Croydon 26 May 20 8.39am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Really? What about the claimed second visit? or should those media lies just be swept under the carpet?

Right. Multiple concerns, one of which was only an allegation and appears false. The rest, largely, he admits. The big stuff like taking a child apparently exposed to the virus to a hospital 260 miles away. Talk about clutching at straws.

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Midlands Eagle 26 May 20 8.56am
Originally posted by Mapletree The big stuff like taking a child apparently exposed to the virus to a hospital 260 miles away. Talk about clutching at straws. With statements like the above I think that you are
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26 May 20 8.56am

Originally posted by Mapletree

The big stuff like taking a child apparently exposed to the virus to a hospital 260 miles away. Talk about clutching at straws.

With statements like the above I think that you are

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