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Mapletree Croydon 30 Dec 22 11.12am
Originally posted by georgenorman As Becky has already said, the majority of women using the clinics are over 30. And as I said, they are not. Not many people having an abortion are in a 'pro-abortion lobby', funnily enough that isn't how it works. I think you would find it hard to point at any individual that enjoys an abortion, or chooses to have one without considerable heartache.
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Mapletree

Croydon 30 Dec 22 11.12am

Originally posted by georgenorman

As Becky has already said, the majority of women using the clinics are over 30.

And as I said, they are not.

Not many people having an abortion are in a 'pro-abortion lobby', funnily enough that isn't how it works. I think you would find it hard to point at any individual that enjoys an abortion, or chooses to have one without considerable heartache.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 30 Dec 22 11.12am
So in the UK silently praying is now legally harassment and/or intimidation sufficient to be arrested? Beyond ridiculous Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 30 Dec 22 11.12am

So in the UK silently praying is now legally harassment and/or intimidation sufficient to be arrested?

Beyond ridiculous

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Stirlingsays 30 Dec 22 11.13am
Originally posted by Mapletree The pavement, or path as it is known, along which people walk to the clinic. Not, for example, on the other side of the road. I didn’t say she blocked their path. But she sure as hell could not be overlooked, she was there to make her silent, maleficent, presence known. That just sounds silly. Not touching anyone, not stopping people getting to work, not damaging private property. In other words a a valid protest. The country I grew up in doesn't exist anymore. This country has become ridiculous. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Dec 2022 11.14am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

30 Dec 22 11.13am

Originally posted by Mapletree

The pavement, or path as it is known, along which people walk to the clinic. Not, for example, on the other side of the road. I didn’t say she blocked their path. But she sure as hell could not be overlooked, she was there to make her silent, maleficent, presence known.

That just sounds silly.

Not touching anyone, not stopping people getting to work, not damaging private property.

In other words a a valid protest.

The country I grew up in doesn't exist anymore.
This country has become ridiculous.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Dec 2022 11.14am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 30 Dec 22 11.15am
This country use to be run by sensible people. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

30 Dec 22 11.15am

This country use to be run by sensible people.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Mapletree Croydon 30 Dec 22 11.16am
Originally posted by HKOwen So in the UK silently praying is now legally harassment and/or intimidation sufficient to be arrested? Beyond ridiculous Sigh No it isn't The Policeman had little choice as Isabel forced him to arrest her in order to investigate the situation. I am in little doubt she won't be found guilty
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Mapletree

Croydon 30 Dec 22 11.16am

Originally posted by HKOwen

So in the UK silently praying is now legally harassment and/or intimidation sufficient to be arrested?

Beyond ridiculous

Sigh

No it isn't

The Policeman had little choice as Isabel forced him to arrest her in order to investigate the situation. I am in little doubt she won't be found guilty

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 30 Dec 22 1.24pm
Originally posted by HKOwen So in the UK silently praying is now legally harassment and/or intimidation sufficient to be arrested? Beyond ridiculous There is 'form' in this case, otherwise restrictions around the abortion centre wouldn't have been in place. It's about context. For example, a muslim in ceremonial garb occasionally 'silently praying' next to Lee Rigby's grave, might give cause for the Rigby family to feel threatened or intimidated. "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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in a hidey-hole 30 Dec 22 1.24pm

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Originally posted by HKOwen

So in the UK silently praying is now legally harassment and/or intimidation sufficient to be arrested?

Beyond ridiculous

There is 'form' in this case, otherwise restrictions around the abortion centre wouldn't have been in place.
It's about context. For example, a muslim in ceremonial garb occasionally 'silently praying' next to Lee Rigby's grave, might give cause for the Rigby family to feel threatened or intimidated.

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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georgenorman 30 Dec 22 1.35pm
Originally posted by Mapletree OK, I think it better that you describe how it would feel for a young woman walking down the pavement on which Isabel is standing. Walking past, possibly brushing past, someone half standing in the bushes, partially hidden until you come close, staring and clearly with some mantra going around and around in her head. Saying nothing. I tell you what, there is only one way to sort this out. Let's each write a poem entitled my day out at the Robert Clinic. We have to use a bit of imagination. Best poem wins the award. Edited by Mapletree (30 Dec 2022 11.09am) Not sure how it can be clear that a mantra is going around and around in someone else's head - unless you are a mind-reader? When I go to a football match, I often have to walk close and brush past others going to the match - I suspect some of them are silently praying too. Can't say it intimidates me.
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georgenorman

30 Dec 22 1.35pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

OK, I think it better that you describe how it would feel for a young woman walking down the pavement on which Isabel is standing. Walking past, possibly brushing past, someone half standing in the bushes, partially hidden until you come close, staring and clearly with some mantra going around and around in her head. Saying nothing.

I tell you what, there is only one way to sort this out. Let's each write a poem entitled my day out at the Robert Clinic. We have to use a bit of imagination. Best poem wins the award.

Edited by Mapletree (30 Dec 2022 11.09am)

Not sure how it can be clear that a mantra is going around and around in someone else's head - unless you are a mind-reader?
When I go to a football match, I often have to walk close and brush past others going to the match - I suspect some of them are silently praying too. Can't say it intimidates me.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 30 Dec 22 1.50pm
OK, another analogy from previous Prem years. Newcastle fans in lower Holmesdale, in noocastle shirts. 2 of them. Not being raucous or intimidating, just watching the match. Removed by stewards less than 10 minutes into the game. "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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in a hidey-hole 30 Dec 22 1.50pm

OK, another analogy from previous Prem years.

Newcastle fans in lower Holmesdale, in noocastle shirts. 2 of them.

Not being raucous or intimidating, just watching the match. Removed by stewards less than 10 minutes into the game.

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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Mapletree Croydon 30 Dec 22 2.13pm
Originally posted by georgenorman Not sure how it can be clear that a mantra is going around and around in someone else's head - unless you are a mind-reader? When I go to a football match, I often have to walk close and brush past others going to the match - I suspect some of them are silently praying too. Can't say it intimidates me. Standing stock still, staring at you and half hidden by undergrowth? When you are feeling at your lowest ebb? And probably fairly clearly from the opposition fan base (have you seen what Isabel looks like, there could be little doubt). Anyway, where is the poem? If you would rather, how about we debate this through the medium of expressive dance?
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Mapletree

Croydon 30 Dec 22 2.13pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

Standing stock still, staring at you and half hidden by undergrowth? When you are feeling at your lowest ebb? And probably fairly clearly from the opposition fan base (have you seen what Isabel looks like, there could be little doubt).

Anyway, where is the poem? If you would rather, how about we debate this through the medium of expressive dance?

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Teddy Eagle 30 Dec 22 2.14pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly OK, another analogy from previous Prem years. Newcastle fans in lower Holmesdale, in noocastle shirts. 2 of them. Not being raucous or intimidating, just watching the match. Removed by stewards less than 10 minutes into the game. Or me in several pubs in years gone by. Not doing anything except keeping the till ker-chinging and taken out by the bouncers. Which is as painful as it sounds.
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Teddy Eagle

30 Dec 22 2.14pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

OK, another analogy from previous Prem years.

Newcastle fans in lower Holmesdale, in noocastle shirts. 2 of them.

Not being raucous or intimidating, just watching the match. Removed by stewards less than 10 minutes into the game.

Or me in several pubs in years gone by. Not doing anything except keeping the till ker-chinging and taken out by the bouncers. Which is as painful as it sounds.

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Mapletree Croydon 30 Dec 22 2.20pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Or me in several pubs in years gone by. Not doing anything except keeping the till ker-chinging and taken out by the bouncers. Which is as painful as it sounds. Must look like a wrong-un I reckon. No offence!
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Mapletree

Croydon 30 Dec 22 2.20pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Or me in several pubs in years gone by. Not doing anything except keeping the till ker-chinging and taken out by the bouncers. Which is as painful as it sounds.

Must look like a wrong-un I reckon.

No offence!

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Mapletree Croydon 30 Dec 22 2.23pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The country I grew up in doesn't exist anymore. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Dec 2022 11.14am) I can agree with this. I can also opine that it never really did exist except in your head. Still, your head has moved to ultra conservative America, at least the online version. Sometimes I do reckon it's a shame you are unable to think in English but, hey, you never read anything in English so I shouldn't be surprised.
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Mapletree

Croydon 30 Dec 22 2.23pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The country I grew up in doesn't exist anymore.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Dec 2022 11.14am)

I can agree with this. I can also opine that it never really did exist except in your head.

Still, your head has moved to ultra conservative America, at least the online version. Sometimes I do reckon it's a shame you are unable to think in English but, hey, you never read anything in English so I shouldn't be surprised.

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