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View NJ CLOCKTOWER's Profile NJ CLOCKTOWER Flag Tarragona 02 Apr 24 5.27am Send a Private Message to NJ CLOCKTOWER Add NJ CLOCKTOWER as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

You are seriously equating Hamas with the UK Government?


Hamas is designated as a terrorist organization by several countries, including the United States, Israel, and the European Union. The UK Government has not designated itself as a terrorist organization.

 

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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Hamas "living the life of Reilly" Cowardly, Hamas leaders have sought refuge in Qatar, where their leaders maintain offices and reside. Attending, the football world cup. Owning yachts, going to extravagant parties. Meanwhile their people are suffering.

Sounds like most Governments across the globe ^^. Most recently the UK Government during Covid

Hamas is designated as a terrorist organization by several countries, including the United States, Israel, and the European Union. The UK Government has not designated itself as a terrorist organization.

 

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View NJ CLOCKTOWER's Profile NJ CLOCKTOWER Flag Tarragona 02 Apr 24 5.34am Send a Private Message to NJ CLOCKTOWER Add NJ CLOCKTOWER as a friend

For those misguided people who think they can compare Hamas to the UK government being any UK government.
Here are some more facts for you which won't change your mind but at least you'll know the truth.

Hamas, also known as the Islamic Resistance Movement, is a Palestinian political and military organization that operates in the Gaza Strip. It is regarded as a terrorist group by several countries, including the United States, Israel, and the European Union. Comparing Hamas to other governments around the world requires an analysis of its structure, ideology, governance, and international recognition.

1. Structure and Governance:
Hamas is decentralized and its structure includes political, military, and social wings. It has an elected leadership, with Ismail Haniyeh serving as the current head of its political bureau. However, the group's decisions often involve consultation with its broader leadership and key figures. In terms of governance, Hamas primarily operates within the Gaza Strip, where it maintains control over various aspects of administration, including security, education, and social services.

2. Ideology:
Hamas is an Islamist organization with the goal of liberating all of Palestine from Israeli occupation and establishing an Islamic state in the area. It is deeply rooted in Islamic fundamentalism and seeks to implement Sharia law. This ideology sets Hamas apart from many other governments around the world, which may have diverse political, ideological, or secular frameworks.

3. International Recognition:
Hamas faces limited international recognition compared to recognized governments. While it has support from some countries and organizations, such as Iran, Turkey, and Qatar, the majority of countries do not recognize it as a legitimate government or have designated it as a terrorist group due to its involvement in violence and attacks against Israeli civilians.

4. Popular Support and Elections:
Hamas gained significant support in the 2006 Palestinian legislative elections and secured a parliamentary majority, which led to a political divide with the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority. However, it has not held subsequent elections, raising concerns about democratic processes and accountability.

When comparing Hamas to other governments, it is essential to recognize that there are substantial differences in legitimacy, international recognition, and adherence to democratic principles. While Hamas governs a specific region, it faces limited international recognition due to its ideological stance and militant activities, differentiating it from most governments globally.

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 02 Apr 24 9.39am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Hamas does nothing to support their own people and are the principal reason for aid problems. The more Palestinians that die, the happier Hamas are to use it for propaganda purposes that useful idiots swallow hook line and sinker.

"Seven people working for food aid charity World Central Kitchen (WCK) have been killed in an Israeli strike in Gaza", (BBC website,2 April 2024)

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (02 Apr 2024 9.40am)

 


"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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Originally posted by HKOwen

You are seriously equating Hamas with the UK Government?

No, he is equating to 'going to extravagant parties'

 


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Aid agencies suspend operations after Israeli attack.

Anera and WCK are pausing our Gaza operations. Together, Anera and WCK provide some 2 million meals a week in Gaza,” Sean Carroll, the charity's CEO told me.

Asked about the impact that the decision to halt food provision would have on Gazans, whom the UN says are facing a man-made famine, Caroll pointed out that: “The occupying power has an obligation under international law to provide for the people under occupation.”

 


"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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Originally posted by eagleman13

No, he is equating to 'going to extravagant parties'

He can answer for himself

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Originally posted by HKOwen

He can answer for himself

True, but if you'd read his post properly, you wouldn't replied as you have & i wouldn't post on your reply, simples really

 


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Originally posted by nhp61

I agree, to a degree, but Hamas can also bring this to an end, by releasing the Israelis they kidnapped.

Anyway, I was trying to clarify on the poster's comment in that the marches in support of Palestine had started before the ground invasion of Gaza had begun.

In other words, the protests were not because of tens of thousands of civilians being massacred, as he had declared.

A subtle point, I admit, but it still needed to be picked up.

It didn't at all. It doesn't move the conversation on at all nor remotely disprove the reality that the protests are in response to civilians casualties - you've decided to insert the term 'ground invasion' and conclude that was the starting point of Israel's attacks, which is demonstrably untrue.

That the death toll hadn't yet reached tens of thousands when the first protest took place is just pedantry.

 

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Originally posted by eagleman13

True, but if you'd read his post properly, you wouldn't replied as you have & i wouldn't post on your reply, simples really

I disagree, the post is poorly written but the intention is clear.

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

It didn't at all. It doesn't move the conversation on at all nor remotely disprove the reality that the protests are in response to civilians casualties - you've decided to insert the term 'ground invasion' and conclude that was the starting point of Israel's attacks, which is demonstrably untrue.

That the death toll hadn't yet reached tens of thousands when the first protest took place is just pedantry.

Muslim, you missed it out.

 

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Seven aid workers, including 3 British veterans, killed by an Israeli air strike on Monday.

The convoy of three aid trucks was travelling through a 'deconflicted zone' and had flagged its location to the IDF. The three trucks also clearly displayed the WCK logo, but were bombed nevertheless.

 

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