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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 10 Apr 13 1.59am

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I lived in Falmouth during the first years of the Thatch reign. My dad had used his redundancy money from the Evening news to open a shop down there. All was going well until the docks and shipyard closed, then there was just no money in the town. I can remember school-friends who would come round to ours for tea as their families couldn't afford to feed them. The same friends went without hot water or heating to save money. What support was there for them? None- just Tebbit telling their parents to get on their bikes. The West country didn't do well under Thatcher and we moved away after 4 or 5 years.

Edited by nickgusset (10 Apr 2013 1.28am)


Bloody Hell Nick....do you mean The London Evening News, i got redundant from them as well about 1979/80


Yep, my dad was a driver for them for years.

 

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Quote Farawayeagle at 10 Apr 2013 1.05am

You can have debates about things like selling council houses (my parents and my uncles bought theirs and it had a significant positive effect on their families)
or the poll tax or other policies. You can carp about her style. But in the end I think more good than bad was done.


Yeah well, bully for them.....Personally, I don't know that there is much of a debate about it here in the UK now.....Most of our young people can't afford a place.
And we just don't have the available social housing stock.

Thatcher sold something that was intended to benefit generations....Not just the lucky few.

Pulled up the ladder for this generation.....It's probably the worst thing that Thatcher did....Great for individuals but bad for the country.


Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Apr 2013 2.09am)

 


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Guardian poll: Thatcher's rule good for Britain?

50% Good
34% Bad
16% Neither/Don't know

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Is it really a divided Britain?


Only a sample of 965 Falkland sheep were asked though.

Edited by nickgusset (09 Apr 2013 9.59pm)


EFA

 


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View EsussexEagle's Profile EsussexEagle Flag 10 Apr 13 5.17am Send a Private Message to EsussexEagle Add EsussexEagle as a friend

Born in '58 I lived through the Thatcher years in London.
She firstly got the Police on side with Pay rises, she then relaxed the credit laws that made it easier for working class people to get into debt and sold council houses so many of the union members took out mortgages. She new then that when the union called for strikes there would be a reluctance, the threat of losing your home and being on the street. Divide and conquer very shrewd.
I bought into the dream totally. Until around '88 '89 when my interest rates on my mortgage hit around 16% and even though I worked 3 different jobs at the same time I was f*cked. I should have gone on the dole and the interest on my mortgage would have been paid but I was too proud, what a dick. Homelessness with a young family, B&B and a long hard slog followed, all turned out fine in the end (in case you were getting teary).
There is all the other stuff, Pinochet, Belgrano etc but that has already been mentioned on here.
I'm not one for grave dancing and my thoughts are with her family, but, by me she won't be missed.

 

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Quote Farawayeagle at 10 Apr 2013 1.05am

I think how you perceive the Thatcher years largely depends on
what your personal circumstances were if you lived through them.

Many commentators on here and elsewhere are basing their opinion on what they have read or been told. Naturally that means your opinion will be coloured by both your political viewpoint and the source of your reading.

I lived in England as a young buck starting out in life in the pre Thatcher years and during her first term in government. The country was going to hell in a handbasket in the years prior to Maggie taking over. I struggled to survive in a place wracked by strikes and a country that seemed to lack any purpose other than self
destruction. This is not from textbooks this is the life I lived.

Thatcher made a lot of tough decisions and I didn't agree with some of them. But if you were willing to embrace self reliance and look for new ways your life could be better. That's what I discovered.

When I moved to Japan in the mid 80's it gave me another perspective on where the UK had been -- working in an economy in which having a work ethic was a virtue. This was in stark contrast to the world that Scargill and his union cronies had imposed on pre Thatcher UK.

Yes there were losers during the Thatcher years but that was also true in the years before her Prime Ministership. However. when I returned to the UK from time to time over the 80's there was an improvement in the standard and quality of life. Something that perhaps it is easier to discern when you are not there.

You can have debates about things like selling council houses (my parents and my uncles bought theirs and it had a significant positive effect on their families) or the poll tax or other policies. You can carp about her style. But in the end I think more good than bad was done.

In the international arena without the pressure brought to bear on the USSR we would be living in a very different world.

She is one of the most significant World leaders in my lifetime. I salute her contribution.

Those who criticise her DECENCY as a human being are now out on the streets dancing on her grave. Pot, kettle, black comes to mind.


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Edited by Farawayeagle (10 Apr 2013 3.28am)


Good post FE - but it sounds somewhat parochial. Are your thoughts and witness accounts post 1979 based on experiences in the South East/London ?

"Devastated whole communities" is the phrase often heard. Not in the South East she didn't.

 


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I wish that when Thatcher shut the pits, she utilised the workforce and developed a manufacturing industry borne out of renewable energy, that way.

Says the guy who thinks we should "look beyond the news" and not be "spoonfed"!

Ridiculous. How realistic was that kind of policy in mid-80s Britain?

She arguably went too far in crushing the unions (though she certainly had popular support). She was certainly helped by that arrogant, bloody-minded idiot Scargill. But closing the mines to institute an enlightened, renewables-based industrial policy? That option was never on the table, mate, and it's anachronistic to pretend it was.

Fair point, but she didn't try and replace it with anything did she?

The only viable option at the time was nuclear power, not exactly popular itself at the time, in fact the mere mention in conversation of the word nuclear, had people looking at you like you'd just pissed on their kids on Christmas day.

Wind turbines I hear you say? don't work just look at Denmark.

The hydrogen fuel cell is still about 20-30 years away from being viable, If you'd have tried to explain it to a boffin from the eighties, you might as well have been talking about time travel.

And what "industry" was britain suddenly going to switch fire to? The car industry ...puuuuurlease. The heavey industry on which Britain was based was on the slide long before Maggie came along, think Industrial revolution, most of the large factories built in that time were outdated and bleeding money, they became outdated, as did the product they produced. Im fairly certain that if you could knock out a decent arrow head a few hundred years ago, you'd be in high demand. However ....today not so much, my point is that things move on.

So oh wise one just what alternative energy, or industry should they have spent literally billions on. That's before we even get started on re-training a work force that was as flexible, and adaptable as breeze block.


 


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If you didnt know who she was but saw the list of 'anti's' getting their two penneth in over her corpse then you would have a natural instinct to be on her side purely because of the odious collection lining up

I ask - Where does it come from, this vitriloic loathing? Anti-Thatcherites tell you that it’s because she closed down the old industries. (She didn’t, of course, she simply stopped obliging everyone else to support them.)

Yet it must surely be patently obvious by now that nothing would have kept the dockyards and coalmines and steel mills open. A similar process of de-industrialisation has unfolded in every other Western European country, and the only parties that still talk of “reviving our manufacturing base” are Respect, the Scottish Socialists and the BNP !!!!

RIP

Willo


Its not so much the closing down, its the manner in which they were closed down, and the population, few of whom voted conservative, were just left to deal with the fact that employment was ripped out almost overnight, leaving hundreds chasing single jobs.



Uneconomic pits have routinely closed since the war, why should uneconomic mining be subsidised when no other industry was, and when from the 1960's we had the benefit ofNorth Sea oil and gas?


Simply untrue! Although some exploration of oil and gas fields went on from 60s, the Brent field in UK waters wasn't even discovered until 1971, and the first oil wasn't pumped (at a relatively modest level initially) from the Argyl field until 1975. Revenue from the taxation of oil commenced in a significant way from 1980 onwards.

The revenue from oil and the proceeds of privatisations could have been used b Hesletine to regenerate the country, but were instead used to fund income tax cuts for the higher paid instead.

Edited by Moose (09 Apr 2013 10.24pm)


West Sole came onstream in 1967.


The income to the exchequer from West Sole was insignificant, as was the amount of gas it produced. Oil and gas revenues from licensing and taxation only made any difference from 1980 onward.


The comment was that what I'd said was simply untrue, it was not untrue at all, and my point stands.

 

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She was a bit of a sexy dominatrix to some and certainly appealed to some fellas more schoolboy side.
Kenneth Baker regularly came in his pants just by being in the same room as her.


Edited by Kermit8 (10 Apr 2013 8.05am)

 


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Pinky Flag Kent 10 Apr 13 8.15am

N'importe qui persuadé par les autres arguments de côté encore?
Non?

 

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Quote EsussexEagle at 10 Apr 2013 5.17am

She firstly got the Police on side with Pay rises, she then relaxed the credit laws that made it easier for working class people to get into debt and sold council houses so many of the union members took out mortgages. .

Please let us not have any tosh about Margaret Thatcher only serving the wealthy and privileged.

The great lady liberated millions of workers from control by their trade unions, emancipated the working classes by allowing millions of state tenants the right to own their own properties and granted millions of small savers the right to purchase shares in the formerly nationalised industries.

In the final analysis, in my humble opinion there is NO public figure alive who matches the standing of the late Prime Minister.She deserves full state honours at her funeral.

 

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Quote Kermit8 at 10 Apr 2013 7.59am

She was a bit of a sexy dominatrix to some and certainly appealed to some fellas more schoolboy side.
Kenneth Baker regularly came in his pants just by being in the same room as her.


Edited by Kermit8 (10 Apr 2013 8.05am)


Master Baker, as he was affectionately known, by Mrs T.

I stand corrected on the search and rescue expenses for Mark Thatcher.
As i recall, Mrs T was shlt-hot on not taking the pi55 with expenses claims, and regularly paid for stuff out of her own pocket, that she could have legitimately claimed for.

She was certainly 'the Darling' of the police force and military.
Somewhat ironic that when she opened the asylum doors for "Care in the Community", that a significant number of those requiring treatment were military personnel , suffering (as we now know) from post-traumatic stress disorders.

A lot of stuff needed to be done in the 1980's, and she did it. but in a heartless and methodical manner, devoid of emotion and humanity.

I won't be wasting my time watching her funeral, but look forward to watching any highlights if anyone performs any publicity 'stunts'.

 


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