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View Ray in Houston's Profile Ray in Houston Flag Houston 06 Oct 16 4.30pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by chateauferret

£250,000 for a decent job, that is. Not the s***e we're currently getting.

The relatively paltry salaries for match officials is a problem. There's so much money in the game that it makes referees susceptible to corruption, and it's probably not coincidental that every major football country has suffered through match fixing scandals. Clattenberg, for example, has been suspended in the past for ethics violations involving financial impropriety.

Paying referees more should, in theory, attract better candidates, allow leagues to demand better performances from them and remove some of the financial inequality that might tempt some of them to stray off the ethical path.

 


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chateauferret Flag 06 Oct 16 9.54pm

Originally posted by Willo

Well obviously Hackett obviously thinks the referees he named are doing a "Decent job".

He should try watching some matches, then. The first half of the last FA Cup Final would be an education, for a start.

 


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View CambridgeEagle's Profile CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 06 Oct 16 10.35pm Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Well Hackett is consistent in his opinion that the standard of PL refereeing is not up to scratch.That is his opinion and many other referees and former referees might disagree.

He also said :
Prem refs earn an average of £70,000 per year but Hackett suggested: “The minimum amount they should earn is £250,000 per season.

“Mark Clattenburg, Martin Atkinson, Craig Pawson, Michael Oliver and Mike Dean — despite the odd critical comment — these guys are underpaid and are getting left behind.

Edited by Willo (06 Oct 2016 4.06pm)

If Mark gets £70k a year for ruining thousands of people's Saturdays 30 days a year he is grossly overpaid. If I turned up to work so rarely and made so many clear and poor mistakes as him and get £70k I'd be laughing all the way to the bank.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 07 Oct 16 11.10am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by citizensmudge

While I was as angry as the next man about the general refereeing performance of Moss in the Everton game and I'm often in disagreement with Willo the above bollox is far more grinding to me. Its not FACT is it,its your opinion in a similar way to the one that you are steaming into Willo for.We all know what it should have been and that would include Moss once he'd watched the replays but in real time it's completely different.You,Hackett or even Dixon of Dock Green would make mistakes in that or similar situations its called human error and its part and parcel of decision making without the necessary technology.Using "fact" on a forum when it quite obviously isn't is as much trolling as anything else designed to provoke a reaction. I don't think Willo is a troll in the same way I don't think you are.He may well enjoy the attention he gets from being controversial but I firmly believe his opinons are exactly that despite finding myself muttering out loud occasionally when I read them.

Crikey, what a grumpy over-fussy post. OK for you I will re-phrase.

It appears that Jagielka may have dipped to buy the free kick. Where there is such an appearance there must be a doubt. Given the seriousness of awarding a free kick in such a dangerous position and the doubt present, it can be strongly argued that the benefit should have gone to the defending team.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 07 Oct 16 11.50am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

If Mark gets £70k a year for ruining thousands of people's Saturdays 30 days a year he is grossly overpaid. If I turned up to work so rarely and made so many clear and poor mistakes as him and get £70k I'd be laughing all the way to the bank.

Dramatical hogwash.

I shall refrain from passing any further comment on Clattenburg on here as it only gives ammunition to the 'Anti-Clattenburg' brigade to keep laying their bait.Thank You.

 

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View paperhat's Profile paperhat Flag croydon 07 Oct 16 11.54am Send a Private Message to paperhat Add paperhat as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Dramatical hogwash.

I shall refrain from passing any further comment on Clattenburg on here as it only gives ammunition to the 'Anti-Clattenburg' brigade to keep laying their bait.Thank You.

yeah, that. And the fact he's sh1t.

 


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Hoof Hearted 07 Oct 16 11.56am

Originally posted by silvertop

Crikey, what a grumpy over-fussy post. OK for you I will re-phrase.

It appears that Jagielka may have dipped to buy the free kick. Where there is such an appearance there must be a doubt. Given the seriousness of awarding a free kick in such a dangerous position and the doubt present, it can be strongly argued that the benefit should have gone to the defending team.

Nevermind that.... Moss got the punishment wrong anyway even if it was dangerous kicking by Delaney.

He should have awarded an indirect free kick.

Lukaku's shot into goal didn't touch anybody else, so Moss should then have signalled for a goal kick to be taken.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 07 Oct 16 11.57am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Crikey, what a grumpy over-fussy post. OK for you I will re-phrase.

It appears that Jagielka may have dipped to buy the free kick. Where there is such an appearance there must be a doubt. Given the seriousness of awarding a free kick in such a dangerous position and the doubt present, it can be strongly argued that the benefit should have gone to the defending team.

Well clearly he didn't have any doubt.If the 'Wall' had done their job there wouldn't be this discussion.

 

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citizensmudge Flag midlands 07 Oct 16 12.24pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Crikey, what a grumpy over-fussy post. OK for you I will re-phrase.

It appears that Jagielka may have dipped to buy the free kick. Where there is such an appearance there must be a doubt. Given the seriousness of awarding a free kick in such a dangerous position and the doubt present, it can be strongly argued that the benefit should have gone to the defending team.

Its not grumpy or over-fussy though is it mate, its calling you out then stating my opinion about the poster you and a few others feel is a troll.No bollox,no sensationalist claim just good old fashioned honesty and understanding.Jagielka dipped but it was a reflex action the same as his hands going up.If you had Delaneys boot flying towards you at that speed when you were committed to putting your head in its way you would duck and put your hands up I can assure you.While I am a lifelong Palace fan I also try wherever possible to show no bias in match situations and your original comment about Jagielka is why.Its not personal,i have read other comments from you and they are sensible enough but using "fact" when its not or spamming CAPS are my absolute pet hates on any forum.

 

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Originally posted by Willo

Well clearly he didn't have any doubt.If the 'Wall' had done their job there wouldn't be this discussion.

So the fact he didn't have any doubt means he either applied the rules incorrectly, or his eyes were playing tricks on him as he was in 'no doubt' that he saw something that we all know didn't happen (there was no contact). Either of those is pretty worrying for a 'professional' referee getting over £2k per game on average. Plus expenses I imagine.

 

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View CambridgeEagle's Profile CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 07 Oct 16 1.33pm Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Dramatical hogwash.

I shall refrain from passing any further comment on Clattenburg on here as it only gives ammunition to the 'Anti-Clattenburg' brigade to keep laying their bait.Thank You.

Given it's well above the national household average and the hours are pretty decent I would say that he proves terrible value for money for PGMOL or whoever pays his wages. I'm sure plenty of people would be keen to earn that kind of money who could do a better job. It wouldn't be hard. A coin toss would get about as many important decisions correct.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 07 Oct 16 1.53pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

So the fact he didn't have any doubt means he either applied the rules incorrectly, or his eyes were playing tricks on him as he was in 'no doubt' that he saw something that we all know didn't happen (there was no contact). Either of those is pretty worrying for a 'professional' referee getting over £2k per game on average. Plus expenses I imagine.

With respect all of us have had the benefit of numerous SKY "Slo-Mos" from various angles.

Jon Moss applied the rules correctly (Direct free kick) based on his decision that contact had been made.

 

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