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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Mar 19 2.38pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

The guys manifesto was called ‘The Great Replacement’ and cites all of the same right wing ideas that you read on here in relation to Islam and immigration.

Quite how you, who routinely blames the left for everything and anything, can now say no blame should be apportioned to the right, is hypocrisy on a quite staggering level.

What ideas are these?

Are you suggesting that someone using a set of circumstance as a reason to kill people means that those circumstances are not real?

Loopy logic right there.

Nelson Mandela used Apartied as a reason to be a terrorist. Does that mean that Apartied did not exist?

 

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View dollardays's Profile dollardays Flag 15 Mar 19 2.40pm Send a Private Message to dollardays Add dollardays as a friend

Originally posted by Holy Eagle

Christianity is NOT insane.

Of course people should be able to practice their faith, but I don't find any religion to be particularly centered in reality.

 

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View W12's Profile W12 Flag 15 Mar 19 2.49pm Send a Private Message to W12 Add W12 as a friend

Originally posted by Holy Eagle

Christianity is NOT insane.

I’m not religious and suspect I never will be but agree.

Our whole society was built on values that came from Christianity.

Whether you have faith or not is a personal thing.

Good for you.

 

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Pussay Patrol Flag 15 Mar 19 2.51pm

It's all because of the disgusting right wing narrative of division, walls and getting people to hate on other people, politicians also to blame with posters saying breaking point

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Mar 19 2.56pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays

Of course people should be able to practice their faith, but I don't find any religion to be particularly centered in reality.

There should be limits to that freedom.

What about ritual sacrifice? Witch burning? Religion does what it likes until someone stops it. History tells us that.

We already let people kill animals in what to me is an unacceptable manner to pander to this kind of crap.

All the time we show respect to superstition and divisive institutions peddling fairy stories and guilt to scare people into obedience, we will always have endless friction between people dumb enough to believe that their version of the sky fairy is the only true one and all the irrational behaviour resulting.

 

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View Cucking Funt's Profile Cucking Funt Flag Choctaw Ridge 15 Mar 19 2.57pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by W12

I’m not religious and suspect I never will be but agree.

Our whole society was built on values that came from Christianity.

Whether you have faith or not is a personal thing.

Good for you.

Seconded.

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Mar 19 3.00pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

It's all because of the disgusting right wing narrative of division, walls and getting people to hate on other people, politicians also to blame with posters saying breaking point

So the attacks on Manchester, Paris and London were the 'Right wings' fault?

It's funny how you never get as angry about attacks by Islamists.

Why is that?

 

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View blackheatheagle's Profile blackheatheagle Flag Blackheath 15 Mar 19 3.01pm Send a Private Message to blackheatheagle Add blackheatheagle as a friend

Very very sad news.

Given some comments in media (UK and outside) and here few points i would like to highlight.

- Cliche of `terror has no religion`. Well, we all know that but which also should not mean how religion become a fatal weapon for terror. I see various of Muslim touch-point much more like pointing the finger that `see, not only Muslims act terror`. Meanwhile i also see the motivation to check at other side defending `this is self-motivated action, he is ill etc`. None of this give me a clear picture.

- Christian and Muslim rooted countries have a very common difference.

Christian countries passed through fighting independence of individual and shed blood for this. Milestones like Magna Carta, French revolution or many other which simply get over monarchism from government and religion perspective. On top of this, replaced this with an evolving environment which gives priority to individual and human right which was fed by science and education.

Whereas, there is nearly no Muslim country (or a few which has no influence) had similar experience. This stability ended up with a conflict with new-world order which was managed and ruled by above movements.

Thus, Muslim countries can easily consume Jihadi-mindset (which is similar to Crusades period) which end up having millions of people who would not refrain to be part of any terrorist act. (PS here: This ain`t a justification of Islam, i oppose all religious)

This is also root cause of the failure of `so-called democracy` in Iraq or Arab Spring. I remember myself laughing with my ass when Bush and Blair was stating their objective is bringing democracy to Middle-East which ended millions of people`s live and triggered an environment which created various of terrorist groups. Democracy is required by individuals and can be granted if they fight for it, it can not be delivered by any dictations. Removing those dictators without any reliable placement was a suicide. Like it would be suicide if somehow people got over monarchic government or church by replacing nothing meaningful.

And for sure, we can not deny the fact of official terror on Earth which is run by conflicting strategies of official governments. Having no strategy and staying desperate against refugee flooding (which was triggered by so-called democratic Arab Spring) is one sample.

I would not be optimistic to wait nations who has no democratic mindset to be democratic and follow the evolution which West followed. But sounds like i am also becoming pessimistic that whatever is happening (terror, refugees, extremism) nowadays will boost polarization and will end-up self-saving solutions by governments by ignoring mutual concurrence which is supposed to be only regional and / or global solution.

Edited by blackheatheagle (15 Mar 2019 3.05pm)

Edited by blackheatheagle (15 Mar 2019 3.12pm)

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 15 Mar 19 3.01pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays

The regular focus on genetic themed racial stuff that is suddenly ever present on here for instance is alienating, unhelpful and a rung on the ladder this leads nowhere pleasant.


You are on this site saying, words to the effect, that it doesn't matter if white people or indeed, you must have meant all races, are mixed out of existence.

I would suggest that it is this attitude that provides far more motivation for morons like this guy than anything else.

Originally posted by dollardays

People still have to learn to get along in peace and to try to find commonality rather than differences no matter how hard or futile that may sometimes appear. We see here what the alternative to doing that is.

Really? You're going to give the, 'if only we could get along' message? How many examples throughout history do you need?

A percent of people from any group can live together but as a holistic entity?.....The more you try to make people the same who belong in different traditions the more they will magnify their differences.

Some people will always successfully integrate and they are great...other people with means will balkanize themselves and a percentage of those that can't will struggle.


Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Mar 2019 3.04pm)

 

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View blackheatheagle's Profile blackheatheagle Flag Blackheath 15 Mar 19 3.02pm Send a Private Message to blackheatheagle Add blackheatheagle as a friend

Double post, sorry.

Edited by blackheatheagle (15 Mar 2019 3.04pm)

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Mar 19 3.07pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by W12

I’m not religious and suspect I never will be but agree.

Our whole society was built on values that came from Christianity.

Whether you have faith or not is a personal thing.

Good for you.

There is no doubt that our moral framework is based on Christian teaching to a large extent.
This, however, does not mean that religion should have carte blanche to peddle all of its nonsense.

It could easily be argued that Christianity was just a vehicle to promote long standing ides about how one person should behave toward another. That might well be completely separate set of principles that go back much further than what we recognise as Christianity or any other religion.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (15 Mar 2019 3.08pm)

 

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View W12's Profile W12 Flag 15 Mar 19 3.09pm Send a Private Message to W12 Add W12 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

There is no doubt that our moral framework is based on Christian teaching to a large extent.
This, however, does not mean that religion should have carte blanche to peddle all of its nonsense.

It could easily be argued that Christianity was just a vehicle to promote long standing ides about how one person should behave toward another. That might well be completely separate set of principles that go back much further than what we recognise as Christianity or any other religion.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (15 Mar 2019 3.08pm)

I don’t really see Christianity in this country peddling anything. Just quite nice people on the whole going to church.

 

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