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View Sportyteacher's Profile Sportyteacher Flag London 09 May 20 12.37pm Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

Sorry folks for edited copies posted online. Have no idea how to delete previous ones.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 09 May 20 12.39pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

Sorry folks for edited copies posted online. Have no idea how to delete previous ones.

Just highlight everything and delete it and replace with a full stop or ‘duplicate post.’

 


COYP

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 09 May 20 12.40pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

Have no idea how to delete previous ones.

Click on "report post" and one of the mods will do it for you

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 09 May 20 12.51pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I wasn't referring to the links!

I was replying to the comment itself!

So there is a possibility that you do believe in some conspiracy theories?

 

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View Sportyteacher's Profile Sportyteacher Flag London 09 May 20 1.16pm Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

So there is a possibility that you do believe in some conspiracy theories?

Or that it has been leaked...passed on from a reliable source in NHS. I am however exercising a degree of caution myself however when you read through the content, it certainly follows plausible, sensible progression. Reason it has been posted is to highlight how Whitehall has resembled one helluva leaking bucket in recent weeks.

 

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View Sportyteacher's Profile Sportyteacher Flag London 09 May 20 1.19pm Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Click on "report post" and one of the mods will do it for you

Cheers for the advice Rudi & Midlands Eagle - looks as though Mods have attended to it all with grateful thanks from this end. Will remember what you have advised.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 09 May 20 1.46pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Someone I know said it was a load of fuss over nothing before we locked down and then 4-6 weeks later criticised Trump for not taking it seriously or acting sooner etc etc etc.

I originally thought Sterling had decided to make better use of his time just as another repetitive and obsessed government bashing poster joined in. He possibly also got bored of arguing against a lockdown. But I then started to be concerned maybe something serious. But he’s decided on isolating himself so doubtful.

I'm fine.

Don't bother listening to those who comment on me who harbour ill will.

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 09 May 20 2.33pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Watched the latest joe rogan / Elon musk interview yesterday.

He makes some good points - mortality rate has ended up way lower then previously assumed. Yet we are still persisting with the same high mortality strategy.

Any person that dies and tests positive for COVID is being classed as a COVID death, irrespective of whether it was the main or a significant contributor, which is mental, and skews the data.

People reporting with symptoms - note not tested, are being logged as cases. The list of potential symptoms is huge. Again, bad data.

I suppose it’s made me question the legitimacy of full lockdown now, vs at the start, when it absolutely made sense. But usually you’re supposed to adjust strategy as you go, right?

The general takeout was retain social distancing and focus money and effort on protecting the most vulnerable, whilst allowing some level of normality to return to keep the economy ticking over. This is of course what is being announced tomorrow but all the while the numbers reported are inaccurate due to insanely loose criteria then is the problem actually as bad as they are stating?

I think someone posted the amount of deaths vs the average - that would be a more accurate gauge of mortality and therefore severity.

If they started to record cases and deaths in a more focused manner then I have a feeling the figures would see a cliff edge drop off straightaway.

 


said the rabid giraffe whilst brandishing his throbbing member of reason, and twas ever thus.

Did you know? 95% of people are morons.

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 09 May 20 2.39pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

I also enjoyed this take on VE Day. A little bit aggressive but some pretty good points made about the usual delusions of grandeur and rose tinted spectacles we as a nation have. That said, what nation doesn’t need to use some level of propaganda to make itself feel united? We are no different. Don’t like the reality of the past? Just make up a new one. ‘Mock-patriotism’ and ‘mythology’ - hard to argue with that. And if we need some level of fudging to make ourselves feel more important in the world, then so be it. Loads of people do it in the workplace every day to get ahead. Same difference I suppose. Just don’t get upset when someone calls your bluff...

Because it mires us in an idea of the past that is a myth, and stops us from moving forward as a country. Most of what people "remember" about the war is myth peddled after it. During the war the powers that be had to find something to console the public that was being bombed to s***, otherwise morale would collapse, so the "Blitz Spirit" was born. It was propoganda. As was the victory that was "The Battle of Britain" which was not won, Germany just had bigger war aims elsewhere . Of course the men who fought were brave, but they "won" nothing, as Churchill well knew. Overall, our role in the victory of Nazism was very minor.

Since the war, we look back as a nation continually. Our response to being beaten by better trained and more sophisticated and progressive football teams is to sing songs about how we won the war. Our response when we have to do something new is to call on the old Churchill spirit, and bring out the old totems. All of which stops us seeing ourselves honestly, as a declining post-imperial power with a destroyed industrial base and a service sector that makes us beholden to international companies who avoid tax and in the long run impoverish our nation. We rely on immigrant labour but we need to feel superior to them so we indulge in casual racism and our national flag is central to the iconography of innate British superiority. We have an outdated and inefficient political system, so we deflect to our beloved Monarchy so we can accuse anyone interested in political reform involving citizens with rights and responsibilties rather than subjects with obligations as anti-British. We wallow in patriotism when our athletes win Olympic gold whilst ignoring thefact that sports facilities are sold off, health and fitness ignored by government and as a nation we are more obese every year.

And amidst all this, we are asked to celebrate those brave people who went through the war, knowing that we sent covid infected people back from hospital to where thousands of those brave people now live in care homes, knowing they would get infected, knowing they would die, which they have been and will keep doing, and we are supposed to stand on our doorsteps and cheer because non-taxpaying oligarchs who own our press tell us its a good idea and a compliant media echoes them? There's patriotism, which is fine, and there's the self-conscious boastful display of mock-patriotism, which is what all this VE day nonsense is about. And each year, the fewer there actually left alive to honour, the louder the self-justified backslapping gets.

What VE day is about is not patriotism, it's about propping up our self-confidence by looking back to a mythic time when we were allegedly a great nation. I'd prefer if we were honest about who we are, looked forward and got on with making things better.

 


said the rabid giraffe whilst brandishing his throbbing member of reason, and twas ever thus.

Did you know? 95% of people are morons.

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag croydon 09 May 20 2.49pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Because hospitals probably had enough stock for 'normal'times. This situation is very not that for sure. They had enough gloves, masks, aprons, ventilators etc. The NHS have their own procurement procedures for different areas and trusts. Why do you think the stuff in the warehouses was out of date. Probably because these trusts went elsewhere for their stock even though they must have known that warehouse was full for all those years. It's a bit like blairs devolution plan. Singing from different hymn sheets now when it would have been better singing from the same one. Both nationally and locally everyone has been given their own autonomy and now the proof is it isnt working. Too many chiefs, not enough indians.


Spanner away mate, spanner away!

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 09 May 20 2.59pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop


Rose tinted view of the 1940s. Corruption and privateering rife throughout the war and thereafter The rot was present in every aspect of society and most looked after number one.

Recorded crimes rose from 303,711 at the beginning of WW2 to 478,394 in the last year of the war.

Those figures pale into insignificance to the 6,300,000 recorded crimes in the UK last year

 

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View mezzer's Profile mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 09 May 20 3.09pm Send a Private Message to mezzer Add mezzer as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

I also enjoyed this take on VE Day. A little bit aggressive but some pretty good points made about the usual delusions of grandeur and rose tinted spectacles we as a nation have. That said, what nation doesn’t need to use some level of propaganda to make itself feel united? We are no different. Don’t like the reality of the past? Just make up a new one. ‘Mock-patriotism’ and ‘mythology’ - hard to argue with that. And if we need some level of fudging to make ourselves feel more important in the world, then so be it. Loads of people do it in the workplace every day to get ahead. Same difference I suppose. Just don’t get upset when someone calls your bluff...

Because it mires us in an idea of the past that is a myth, and stops us from moving forward as a country. Most of what people "remember" about the war is myth peddled after it. During the war the powers that be had to find something to console the public that was being bombed to s***, otherwise morale would collapse, so the "Blitz Spirit" was born. It was propoganda. As was the victory that was "The Battle of Britain" which was not won, Germany just had bigger war aims elsewhere . Of course the men who fought were brave, but they "won" nothing, as Churchill well knew. Overall, our role in the victory of Nazism was very minor.

Since the war, we look back as a nation continually. Our response to being beaten by better trained and more sophisticated and progressive football teams is to sing songs about how we won the war. Our response when we have to do something new is to call on the old Churchill spirit, and bring out the old totems. All of which stops us seeing ourselves honestly, as a declining post-imperial power with a destroyed industrial base and a service sector that makes us beholden to international companies who avoid tax and in the long run impoverish our nation. We rely on immigrant labour but we need to feel superior to them so we indulge in casual racism and our national flag is central to the iconography of innate British superiority. We have an outdated and inefficient political system, so we deflect to our beloved Monarchy so we can accuse anyone interested in political reform involving citizens with rights and responsibilties rather than subjects with obligations as anti-British. We wallow in patriotism when our athletes win Olympic gold whilst ignoring thefact that sports facilities are sold off, health and fitness ignored by government and as a nation we are more obese every year.

And amidst all this, we are asked to celebrate those brave people who went through the war, knowing that we sent covid infected people back from hospital to where thousands of those brave people now live in care homes, knowing they would get infected, knowing they would die, which they have been and will keep doing, and we are supposed to stand on our doorsteps and cheer because non-taxpaying oligarchs who own our press tell us its a good idea and a compliant media echoes them? There's patriotism, which is fine, and there's the self-conscious boastful display of mock-patriotism, which is what all this VE day nonsense is about. And each year, the fewer there actually left alive to honour, the louder the self-justified backslapping gets.

What VE day is about is not patriotism, it's about propping up our self-confidence by looking back to a mythic time when we were allegedly a great nation. I'd prefer if we were honest about who we are, looked forward and got on with making things better.

I don't necessarily agree with your take on things usually but your views are well put. However, in this instance, what a load of old tosh.

You may have an issue with the media and how they report it, but allow those who lived through it a bit of respect. They don't view it through rose tinted specs, they know what the reality was like. I never met my uncle because he died in Italy. I was going to visit his grave for the first time this year, but that's been put on hold. I was going to go because I've now lost my Dad, my Mum, my Auntie's and Uncles, all of them, who were able to tell me as a kid and as an adult about what it was like to live through the War. They lived in London and suffered bombings on their areas the likes of which none of us can comprehend. They all did their bit but asked for no thanks afterwards. To a man and woman, they were very humble about what occurred. And none of them are here now to visit their brother's grave.

Another uncle of mine and my other half's Grandad were prisoners of war, both in the Far East. They returned mentally scarred and never, ever wanted to talk about what they endured, each suffering from nightmares until the days they died.

None of them are here any longer, so I actually appreciate days like yesterday to look back, reflect, and yes, give thanks to them for whatever parts they played in keeping us from becoming German. I thank my lucky stars that I'm of a generation that never had to do National Service, as I'd have hated my selfish little existence to be disrupted. And I pray that my own children never have to do it either, although my nephew voluntarily joined up and has already seen stuff that I never have, and never want to. None of my friends have been blown up standing next to me. His best friend was.

So don't do days like yesterday down. What I do agree with you about is about doing our own thing to make the future better. I do so in whatever small way I can, and I trust you do the same. And neither of us ask for any thanks for doing so, I assume. So concentrate on the future by all means, but don't deny us the right to remember the past and those who played their part in it.

 


Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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