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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Oh it’s much more than just the Labour Party who would need convincing. I cannot imagine any of the major, or smaller, parties yet adopting such a policy. I suspect it will be a long while before such thinking gains traction and for the divides to grow until it does.

Out of interest though, is it something you would support?

Broadly, yes and I don't think they should be state supported.
I don't know what is taught in them but would think the national curriculum has reduced the actual faith element whilst not helping understanding of, or integration with, other religions.

 

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Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Oct 2023 8.13am)

 


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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Broadly, yes and I don't think they should be state supported.
I don't know what is taught in them but would think the national curriculum has reduced the actual faith element whilst not helping understanding of, or integration with, other religions.

The national curriculum should be taught in all state supported schools but some are still run by dominant religious people who allow their faith to override their responsibilities. I want all schools to be both politically and religiously neutral. No religious content at all. Not in assemblies, lessons or signage. No daily prayers etc.

I disagree over being state supported. I think it essential they are, whilst managed locally. There must be a national standard and inspection and you cannot allow any influence to be there other than from the central government.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The national curriculum should be taught in all state supported schools but some are still run by dominant religious people who allow their faith to override their responsibilities. I want all schools to be both politically and religiously neutral. No religious content at all. Not in assemblies, lessons or signage. No daily prayers etc.

I disagree over being state supported. I think it essential they are, whilst managed locally. There must be a national standard and inspection and you cannot allow any influence to be there other than from the central government.

I meant state sponsored faith schools.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The national curriculum should be taught in all state supported schools but some are still run by dominant religious people who allow their faith to override their responsibilities. I want all schools to be both politically and religiously neutral. No religious content at all. Not in assemblies, lessons or signage. No daily prayers etc.

I disagree over being state supported. I think it essential they are, whilst managed locally. There must be a national standard and inspection and you cannot allow any influence to be there other than from the central government.

A laudable idea. A secular State. The French tried that. They failed.
Certainly Northern ireland benefits from increasingly integrated Education. They still need more of it.

worldwide, religious loons will always try to load the system in their own favour. Lets look at the background of many of the terrorists on UK soil, in the last hundred years.

Religion is more dangerous than alcohol, cocaine or heroin.

 


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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

A laudable idea. A secular State. The French tried that. They failed.
Certainly Northern ireland benefits from increasingly integrated Education. They still need more of it.

worldwide, religious loons will always try to load the system in their own favour. Lets look at the background of many of the terrorists on UK soil, in the last hundred years.

Religion is more dangerous than alcohol, cocaine or heroin.

Utopian ideas are the road to hell. You are right, the French have done this for centuries....they did it from the first immigrant.

It's like he thinks religious people are stupid. All it would do is increase radicalism and violence.....Anyone who went to Paris back in the eighties and goes to it now can see the proof that what he says has been a disaster.

You can't divorce people from their history and culture and religion is part of that culture.

But if there is one thing you can be assured of is that social liberals don't care about the consequences of their politics.....They just move away from them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Oct 2023 7.23pm)

 


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It seems that some posters either cannot read, or are, once again, wilfully misrepresenting what I am suggesting.

Which is not seeking to divorce people from their culture, history or religion. It is ensuring that at school all children learn about our culture, history and all religions.

It is at home, and in their places of worship, that their family history, culture and religion can be kept alive. That’s where they belong. Not at school.

Importantly this would apply to all and not just be targeted at anyone in particular.

For sure it would require lots of explanation, trials and gentle persuasion by religious leaders who would need to part of the process from the start. Could they themselves be persuaded? Not yet, but faced with rising tensions I think they probably could be.

Whatever happened in France can be learned from and any mistakes avoided.

Utopia? I doubt it. There are too many other problems in the world for that. Necessary? I think so. It would make very little difference to most people but it could make a big difference to some.

 


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Apparently it isn't because the idea is sh1t, no it's because the French just didn't do it properly.

Reminds me of, 'that wasn't real communism', clown stuff.

People who will look for any excuse possible other than face up to the blindingly obvious conclusions.

Speaking as someone who was actually a teacher to hear that we didn't teach our history and culture in our schools just makes me laugh.

Until these people are themselves made to do these things and live with the consequences themselves we will continue to hear their 'let them eat cake' solutions to problems that they supported creating.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Oct 2023 8.32pm)

 


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Where has it been suggested that history and culture are not taught in our schools?

It’s the emphasis that’s placed on them and the environment it is done in that needs to change. I want to see the removal of all religious influence in the classrooms of every school with every teacher expected to leave any religion they personally hold, just as they are expected to leave their political views, at home. I don’t want to see any cleric involved in the management, or direction, of any school.

Coming to conclusions without proposing any realistic, achievable solutions is just wasting time and hot air. It’s a pointless moanfest. We cannot undo what’s done, even if we wanted to. We can only do what lies ahead. Stumbling ahead without making changes to that we can change is a wasted opportunity.

We need to stop moaning about things we cannot change and do something about things we can. Even if they are hard.

For sure, at my age and prognosis, it won’t impact me directly but I care about others.

Accusing people like me of creating the problem might make some feel better but achieves nothing. It isn’t of course true anyway. Our country has needed to allow migration for a variety of reasons for a long time. Most new citizens adapt and absorb willingly but if we can do more to make things better, then we should. We have made tacit efforts already. Small steps along the path I am suggesting. Now I am advocating for bigger bolder steps.

I could go much further and argue that we should abandon having an Established Church with the Monarch at its head. Something I suspect Charles has some sympathy with. I would welcome us formally becoming a secular state, which we are in all but name already.

 


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I've taught in a Catholic school, he just doesn't know what he's talking about. What on earth is going on in his head?

As for removing all Islamic faith schools now that people like him invited them in. Go on then.....Tommy Robinson would agree with you.

Once again, France has done this from year dot.

Pointless waffling.


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More confusion or misrepresentation from the site’s specialist in these disciplines. Which them being a specialist in everything is actually unsurprising.

I haven’t suggested that non believers don’t currently work in faith schools. I am not describing now. I am suggesting a future path, on which there are no faith schools.

The continuous need to find someone to blame for everything that’s not approved of demonstrates an unwillingness to actually do something positive to improve things.

Not everyone thinks they already know everything. Some accept that the past can teach us lessons about how to improve future outcomes. We haven’t done enough to integrate new arrivals or to insist that in coming here they have a responsibility to do so.

For sure France has followed a broadly similar path for many years so the thinking isn’t new. What the French experience gives us is the opportunity to study where difficulties have arisen and to eradicate them from our own. I imagine a softly softly approach which takes people with us, rather than confronts them. My own experience has taught me that better results are achieved if you plant seeds and allow ideas to grow. Not everyone will accept but so long as the majority do we could get there.

It wouldn’t be perfect. Nothing ever is. That’s not the issue. What is, is whether it would be better.

 


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We know who the people to blame are and those who create and support the problems are not those worth listening to for solutions.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Oct 2023 3.13pm)

 


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