Of course.

So long as no attempt to classify them all in that category, I am quite sure they would accept that the same proportion as the rest of society are likely to be flawed in some way.

Getting that accepted would be seen as a major breakthrough.

There we have it, in all its subjective, prejudiced glory.

Degeneracy is defined by the OED as "​moral standards that have fallen to a level that is very low and unacceptable to most people."

To believe that those who discover that they have been born into the wrong body are degenerate is to demonstrate a complete misapplication of the term.

To believe that transgenders lack moral standards is to demonstrate total ignorance of them.

These people are not indulging in anti-moral behaviour. They aren't paedophiles, wife-swappers or exhibitionists. That anyone classifies them in the same way, is pretty obnoxious and demonstrates a much lower morality than anything a transgender is likely to do.

To then go on and make a remark about the need to protect the young and vulnerable, when everyone believes that to be necessary, including the transgender community, simply attempts to add a further smear.

Sometimes the level of irrational, unrealistic prejudice to be found in these pages surprises even me. I know some still hold to Victorian values, but these are back to almost the stone age in their thinking.

This discussion has centred on male to female transgenderism and my remarks were in that context.

Female to male has not yet been mentioned, except by yourself and is something I am less informed on. My younger grandchild is not as far down the road and iI haven’t had the same conversations with them as I have with the older one. Indeed any conversations we have had have been with my wife, in confidence, and not with me.

The problems found at Tavistock are regarded as a steppingstone stone to better support. They aren’t defended.

I am not a clinician but I trust those that are understand the effects of every medication they prescribe. They are the experts. I am not so make no judgment.

As you have more direct experience of the impact of the attitudes of others on female to male transgenders what is your view on what facilities they should use?

Yes you have as you said you have a granddaughter who wants to be a grandson. You posted about her a while back !!!

Who said no one notices anything? I said most avoid chatter and eye contact.

I have a medical condition and prefer privacy.

We are all entitled to that. I often use the disabled cubicle if no other is available. Maybe we need to increase their availability and stop calling them disabled and refer to them as personal.

You said it.

They would never know. That's the point. It's happening every day, but no-one notices.