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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 19 Aug 23 9.52am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Of course I’m frightened of you, you scary brute

I get really irritated by people that parrot what the right wing media tells them to think

It does look like in this case warning signs should have been heeded but you need to understand the context. People constantly make accusations of negligence in medical situations.

The comment was yet again the NHS has failed this country.

Really? How quickly some people forget. And if the NHS is failing the country how come so many other developed countries have worse records

The masses are encouraged to hate the NHS and the BBC not because relatively speaking they are poor, they are not. It is because power brokers want to take a piece of the action to make big bucks. So trashing their reputation plays to the very top tier of society which has no qualms if it can make money.

So many ‘opinions’, so little research.

I don't care about other countries healthcare issues neither do I want to destroy the NHS. I just want a service that is accountable for it's mistakes.

I don't blame the NHS for employing this lady I doubt anyone could have foreseen this.

I do blame the NHS for failing to investigation serious allegations and this is not the first time this has happened.

At some point they need to stop victim blaming.

My own family is going through a battle with the NHS at the moment the person leading the fight is not interested in compensation she doesn't even want anyone sacked. All she wants is the NHS to admit it's mistakes and to ensure it never happens to another family.

So there is no lawsuit what there is is an investigation ordered by the coroner and what has the NHS response been, denial and oh yes they have hired the most expensive lawyers in the country to defend themselves (we checked).

The default position of the NHS appears to be coverup rather than investigate. I am amazed that anyone can justify this.

 


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View Glazier#1's Profile Glazier#1 Flag 19 Aug 23 11.05am Send a Private Message to Glazier#1 Add Glazier#1 as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

whoever failed to do background-checks on this nutter also deserves to suffer.

Nutters exist everywhere. Its the job of the good people to protect us.

Lucy Letby is also another piece of evidence : supporting my theory that the most violent scary feckers are the ones crying and moping around the place feeling sorry for themselves. A cry baby is more scary than Begbie. And very often these monsters are also cowards & deeply disliked. Except for Harold Shipman whose cohort of patients all loved him.

I hope Lucy Letby lives to age 85 and is hated & bullied in jail for all that time.

Follow the link below and agree with me that those who fail to learn the lessons of History are condemned to repeat its mistakes.....

[Link]

Edited by PalazioVecchio (18 Aug 2023 4.57pm)

Your 'theory' is probably not best supported here.

One of the consuntants, Dr Breary, said this:

He says while others seemed to be "crumbling before your eyes almost", Letby brushed off his suggestion that she must be tired or upset. "No, I'm back on shift tomorrow," she told him. "She was quite happy and confident to come into work," he says.


Edited by Glazier#1 (19 Aug 2023 11.06am)

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 19 Aug 23 11.12am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I don't care about other countries healthcare issues neither do I want to destroy the NHS. I just want a service that is accountable for it's mistakes.

I don't blame the NHS for employing this lady I doubt anyone could have foreseen this.

I do blame the NHS for failing to investigation serious allegations and this is not the first time this has happened.

At some point they need to stop victim blaming.

My own family is going through a battle with the NHS at the moment the person leading the fight is not interested in compensation she doesn't even want anyone sacked. All she wants is the NHS to admit it's mistakes and to ensure it never happens to another family.

So there is no lawsuit what there is is an investigation ordered by the coroner and what has the NHS response been, denial and oh yes they have hired the most expensive lawyers in the country to defend themselves (we checked).

The default position of the NHS appears to be coverup rather than investigate. I am amazed that anyone can justify this.

Perhaps the little I know may explain things a bit.

My wife is a nurse and they are required to make a detailed written report of every incident no matter how trivial. This is because, unlike in your case, the NHS faces a lot of claims for compensation these days many of which are regarded as of dubious merit and opportunistic. Having a contemporary detailed record enables these to be dealt with but obviously takes time away from actually caring for people.

A friend of mine, who is also a clinician, has contracted monthly hours specifically to investigate and settle compensation claims. It takes a lot of time, both of his and of the staff he has to interview. Sometimes they settle unworthy claims because it’s cheaper to do so than investigate further.

From the little I know I believe it’s quite unusual for lawyers to be involved. I guess there must be some special circumstances. I don’t think the under pressure NHS spends money on lawyers unnecessarily, but I know the cynical may disagree.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 19 Aug 23 11.35am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Perhaps the little I know may explain things a bit.

My wife is a nurse and they are required to make a detailed written report of every incident no matter how trivial. This is because, unlike in your case, the NHS faces a lot of claims for compensation these days many of which are regarded as of dubious merit and opportunistic. Having a contemporary detailed record enables these to be dealt with but obviously takes time away from actually caring for people.

A friend of mine, who is also a clinician, has contracted monthly hours specifically to investigate and settle compensation claims. It takes a lot of time, both of his and of the staff he has to interview. Sometimes they settle unworthy claims because it’s cheaper to do so than investigate further.

From the little I know I believe it’s quite unusual for lawyers to be involved. I guess there must be some special circumstances. I don’t think the under pressure NHS spends money on lawyers unnecessarily, but I know the cynical may disagree.

The politicians also need to bear some responsibility here. The whistleblowering process does not work, as you say the NHS is too concerned about compensation claims rather than justice.

I heard a lawyer explain how a no fault system would be much better where rather than sue the NHS in the courts the victims would go through a process to decide compensation rather than apportion blame.

We certainly need a better system to give justice to victims whilst ensuring the NHS doesn't pay out silly money or dubious claims.

We also need sanctions up to and including gaol for NHS staff (normally management) that try to cover up failings rather than properly investigate.

We've had these scandals for decades but too often the politicians look at the specifics of one scandal rather than why the cover up keeps happening.

I repeat I don't hate the NHS and don't want it privatised or destroyed but this culture has to change.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 19 Aug 23 11.46am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Glazier#1

Your 'theory' is probably not best supported here.

One of the consuntants, Dr Breary, said this:

He says while others seemed to be "crumbling before your eyes almost", Letby brushed off his suggestion that she must be tired or upset. "No, I'm back on shift tomorrow," she told him. "She was quite happy and confident to come into work," he says.


Edited by Glazier#1 (19 Aug 2023 11.06am)

Not in this case no.

However, in general he's right.

Whiners and moaners are a drag on any system.

If you don't like your job leave it and find one you do.

If the job conditions or pay are crap then that's the responsibility of its management local and/or higher (government) and they will ultimately bear the responsibility.

Common sense is all that's required.

 


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 19 Aug 23 2.19pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

when a footballer headbutts somebody & gets a red card....causing his team to lose a vital match. Its the Football-manager that gets it in the neck.....correctly.

Accountability travels up the line.

Heads must roll at the NHS management that oversaw this Letby case. For certain.

ditto for all the overpaid Suits that failed to deal with the pakistani Rape-gangs, and whoever allowed a sleeping Tram driver crash in Croydon. Accountability goes up the line.....that is why the bosses earn the big bucks.

Many times in my professional career, i encountered c.vnts in the workplace. You know they are ubiquitous. The key thing is to notify management, my email, of your concerns......''driver Smith always smells of whiskey when he gets out of his vehicle''..."worker x is soliciting young ladies for sexual services"......"worker y is disclosing confidential information to their partner" etc etc....

after you notify management , the buck stops with them.

i bet the Letby Management Team would have been more effective had they seen the Beverley Allitt managers all getting crucified ? financially crucified or crucified with jail-time.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (19 Aug 2023 3.19pm)

 


Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 19 Aug 23 2.41pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

while the Letby baby killer is monstrous....

It is my opinion that many politicians get to sign-off on planes carpet-bombing cities full of kids with impunity. And when the same politician is elderly, they get to do talk-shows and get pestered for their autograph.

- Tony Blair
- henry Kissinger
- Harry Truman / Barack Obama


etc etc

Letby did her crimes secretly - hoping to never get caught. The fellas above, publicly signed-off on a bombing raid and then went for a nice lunch with their buddies.

so who is more of a psychopath ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (19 Aug 2023 2.51pm)

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 19 Aug 23 2.44pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Of course I’m frightened of you, you scary brute

I get really irritated by people that parrot what the right wing media tells them to think

It does look like in this case warning signs should have been heeded but you need to understand the context. People constantly make accusations of negligence in medical situations.

The comment was yet again the NHS has failed this country.

Really? How quickly some people forget. And if the NHS is failing the country how come so many other developed countries have worse records

The masses are encouraged to hate the NHS and the BBC not because relatively speaking they are poor, they are not. It is because power brokers want to take a piece of the action to make big bucks. So trashing their reputation plays to the very top tier of society which has no qualms if it can make money.

So many ‘opinions’, so little research.

I’m not sure why you responded to my post with all this, odd. The sarcastic comment speaks volumes however and would only provide evidence to put you into the bracket I had identified, which I had not directly attributed to you I might add.

Again, a very easy medium through which to express yourself aggressively. Something individuals will utilise if they cannot do this in reality.

Edited by Nicholas91 (19 Aug 2023 2.45pm)

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 19 Aug 23 3.00pm Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

when a footballer headbutts somebody & gets a red card....causing his team to lose a vital match. Its the Football-manager that gets it in the neck.....correctly.

Accountability travels up the line.

Heads must roll at the NHS management that oversaw this Letby case. For certain.

ditto for all the overpaid Suits that failed to deal with the pakistani Rape-gangs, and whoever allowed a sleeping Tram driver crash in Croydon. Accountability goes up the line.....that is why the bosses earn the big bucks.

Many times in my professional career, i encountered c.vnts in the workplace. You know they are ubiquitous. The key thing is to notify management, my email, of your concerns......''driver Smith always smells of whiskey when he gets out of his vehicle''..."worker x is soliciting young ladies for sexual services"......"worker y is disclosing confidential information to their partner" etc etc....

after you notify management , the buck stops with them.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (19 Aug 2023 2.29pm)

Yes. But they never do.

I already asked if anyone knows if the managers will face a trial because in my book the way they refused to take action deserves more punishment than just losing their job.

 

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View Phil’s Barber's Profile Phil’s Barber Flag Crowborough 19 Aug 23 3.13pm Send a Private Message to Phil’s Barber Add Phil’s Barber as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Accountability travels up the line.

Heads must roll at the NHS management that oversaw this Letby case. For certain.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (19 Aug 2023 2.29pm)

I absolutely agree PV.

The public Inquiry will be extremely interesting as so much has already been reported about the negligence and duty of care failings of those in charge at the Countess of Chester Hospital at the time.

Tony Chambers - CEO
Ian Harvey - Medical Director
Alison Kelly - Nursing & Quality Director
Karen Rees/Moore - Head of Nursing for Urgent Care
Ruth Millward - Head of Risk & Patient Safety.

An article yesterday about those named above and their involvement;

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View Phil’s Barber's Profile Phil’s Barber Flag Crowborough 19 Aug 23 3.23pm Send a Private Message to Phil’s Barber Add Phil’s Barber as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Yes. But they never do.

I already asked if anyone knows if the managers will face a trial because in my book the way they refused to take action deserves more punishment than just losing their job.

Two of the managers involved have already retired; It is reported that Ian Harvey (Medical Director) retired a few weeks after the arrest of Letby in 2018 and Karen Rees/Moore took retirement a few weeks before her arrest.

I sincerely hope there will be prosecutions and that all those responsible for the failings in this case face the severest of consequences.

Edited by Phil’s Barber (19 Aug 2023 3.24pm)

 

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Originally posted by eaglesdare

I would like to know since this all came out and she has been on trial has the baby deaths / injuries stopped?

Letby was charged with Seven Murders and Fifteen Attempted Murders, all of which occurred in a 12 month period when she worked on the hospital’s neonatal unit (June 2015 - June 2016).

Since Letby left the (Countess of Chester) hospital’s neonatal unit there has been only one death in seven years.

Source: BBC News Article dated yesterday 18/08/23 - ‘Hospital bosses ignored months of doctors’ warnings about Lucy Letby’.

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