There has been no increase in investment growth since 2016 the year of the vote.

And precious little in the years after the financial crisis.

Investment produces growth, so where can it come from, certainly not the failed private sector, their wealth does not benefit us, but them.

After 14 years, if the tory doctrine was correct, then we would not be in the position we are now.

The growth figure will probably be contrived somehow to be around 0.5% by the election but its 14 years of economic stagnation and Truss attempt to borrow our way out of it is now not possible.

Badly effected by Brexit which is getting worse each year.

We muddle through by incessant and hugely expensive borrowing; I think that's the reality.

Almost nothing beyond the second option meaning we accept the rules but have no say over them.

But its not designed to actually do anything other than shave a few votes off the status quo option.

I would guess the single biggest fear they will have around a second vote is the legitimacy of it based on voter numbers. Offer a straight forward binary option once again and any vote for us to rejoin that comes in under the vote tally for the original Leave victory will be rightly scoffed at. They cannot make it a like-for-like vote, hence offering third option or even more. Maybe even some kind of 2 part vote with a run-off. It has to framed a very different kind of referendum than those of 2016.

Of course all of this is hyperbole on my part but for the life of me, I cannot arrive at any other conclusion for the Tories, and lets not forget this is the single most successful modern political machine in the world just literally making any and every kind of mistake going. They are simply not that stupid, as much as we want to believe.

This f*** up HAS to be deliberate. And the only reason I can see is because of trying to get us back into the EU in a way that keeps them out of the firing line.

Edited by Matov (13 Jan 2024 8.19pm)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

It is a fair observation, and whilst I suspect there could be some interesting(?LOL) analysis around the impact of the Covid related quantitive easing measures on those in the FTSE 100 as compared to the 250 along with making comparisons on (as much as possible) a like to like basis say in the German and French equivalents the reality is that the disorder Brexit bought to the financial markets, who had never really factored in a Leave decision, would always have a short term (1-7 year) impact no matter. And whilst it is the great get out of card free card to play in terms of the prediction/forecasting/reading the runes games we like to play, Covid really was a huge disruptor that makes almost everything play second fiddle against it.

But should a nations destiny/future really be only predicated against what is good the Stock Market? Can it only be measured is pounds, shillings and pence?

However, back to matters in the more immediate. This rebellion against the lastest farce of a vote on Rwanda is interesting. Can Sunak really survive his own deputy leader voting for the amendments he does not support?

I had started to be swayed more towards the idea of a November election but given that it is clear the disquiet on the Tory benches is growing by the day, then I am going back to May. I genuinely believe the powers pulling the strings on Sunak would rather crash this Government than see him replaced prior to an election taking place.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Could be about to get very interesting given the resignations in the last 20 minutes.

I genuinely don't see how Sunak does not come under a leadership challenge now.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Absolute cobblers of the highest order.

Britain has recovered better from COVID than the EU. That is a fact.
The doom mongering was and is baloney.

It is just the usual Leftist Britain bashing twaddle that we have all grown used to.

Politicians being dishonest. Surely not.

We have a government with members who want to completely ignore public opinion in order to uphold a ridiculous, unsustainable and misplaced principle about human rights.

Time will surely see them overwhelmed by events. Any party in government will not survive the s***storm that is coming our way if things remain as they are.