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 Stirlingsays Online  15 Aug 20 1.15pm |
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WE is his usual self but while I disagree with him on this election I don't disagree with him on a future Democratic dominance. Trump can win in 2020 but even with the insane far left that the Democrats are now the demographics mean that Trump will be the last white republican president. As the US becomes more hispanic the only chance the republicans have in the future is with a non white figure. The party will move more central and the country more socialist. To add further to these woes hispanics vote majority left (though not to the extent of blacks) and you only have to look at South America to see the long term US future.....a future that is more Mexican than European. Eventually we will have a break away. I see the gun rights issue being the final straw. They know that once their guns are taken they become easy to control. We will see the Democrats inch their way with this...banning organisations like the NRA and finding technical reasons to limit rights. But I don't see the real right being fooled. The sooner whites start to represent themselves and stop believing in utopian fantasies the better for them. That is unless they actually like an anti white socialistic US that is....which perhaps some of them will. However, once the break away happens the right need to have long memories about those who created this path. The corporations, will not be blamed for nothing.....universities and media as well but the big funding comes from them.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Aug 20 1.15pm |
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Originally posted by Cpfc1861
You honestly are so thick it's a joke mate you honestly cant see fault with what the Democrats are doing.
Everyone has faults. Some are though huge and some quite small. Not every supporter of a political party deserves support. There are fringe elements to them all. In making judgements it's necessary to weigh the balance and from my perspective, and indeed of just about everyone I encounter other than this small group posting here, Trump is a disaster who needs to be removed at the earliest opportunity. Even my relative in California, who voted for him in 2016, is now fervently determined to remove him and he, on the face of it, would fit your typical Trump supporting profile. Retired, no college education, European stock, home owner in good neighbourhood.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Aug 20 1.19pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Just noticed this garbage. When will you people start to realise that protesting using a referendum result in the UK is to defend our democracy and not to attack it? As I have repeatedly tried to point out referendums have no legal status in our system. Only Parliament can make law. Parliament can promise to respect the result of a referendum but it can also change it's mind, if circumstances so demand. That's the way our democracy works, whether you like or accept it. That Johnson misled the people over this is a matter of record for which history will not forive him. Nor will I and many others. If you think Brexit is "done" be assured it hasn't been. It's you who have been done. Voting in the UK is first past the Post, or the Westminster model. The very same way the Brexit referendum was. So it is hardly out of any norms in the UK. In addition, it was promised that the vote would be honoured. Thus, both sides of the debate knew what they were in for. One side lost, many didn't like it, however, it was entirely democratic. The only part correct about your argument is that the government didn't have to honour it. That would have been autocratic and anti-democratic. Brexit really doesn't suit me personally but it was democratic. I live in the EU so you can imagine the future hassle I face.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 15 Aug 20 2.04pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Just noticed this garbage. When will you people start to realise that protesting using a referendum result in the UK is to defend our democracy and not to attack it? As I have repeatedly tried to point out referendums have no legal status in our system. Only Parliament can make law. Parliament can promise to respect the result of a referendum but it can also change it's mind, if circumstances so demand. That's the way our democracy works, whether you like or accept it. That Johnson misled the people over this is a matter of record for which history will not forive him. Nor will I and many others. If you think Brexit is "done" be assured it hasn't been. It's you who have been done. And as we have repeatedly said there is nothing wrong in protesting a result or campaigning for a new referendum that was never the problem. What was and may stay be an issue is the politicians who refused to enact the will of the people and tried to use parliamentary and lawyer tricks to stop it happening. The 2019 GE took care of that as even the most one eyed Remainer (bar a few on here) accepted that result gave the government the mandate to leave. We have now left and hopefully on Jan 1 will finally be free of EU interference but we are all watching Johnson to ensure he does not betray us in the negotiations. If he does his handling of the virus will be the least of his problems. Now that we have left the pro EU campaigners are free to protest as they see fit and call for us to re-join although I doubt the public will have any interest for at least 5 years and only then if the Tories completely screw up the economy and trade deals. By the way Labour's new leader considers the issue dead so the only parties campaigning to re-join at this moment are the Lib Dems, Green and SNP. I would suggest that the first step in re-joining is to convince more national parties to make it part of their political platform. Until then you might as well get yourself a sandwich board.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Aug 20 4.41pm |
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Originally posted by Cpfc1861
In all your liberalism why would you support a candidate who has willingly thrown blacks in prisons and destroyed black communities over a man who pre covid was bring there communities out of poverty. Dont give me that it was Obama bulls*** either this myth is constantly disproved but people like you stick your fingers in your ear. Your hypocrites you dont want social justice you pretend you do because it makes you feel good but liberal and socialist policies destroy lives in every country. American cities currently being an example. As no politician, so far as I am aware, has the capacity to throw anyone in prison I have no idea what you are talking about and suspect you don't either! That the US economy was still in the pendulum upswing that started under Obama is totally true, whether you admit it or not. Trump's long term impact cannot yet be judged but starting trade wars rarely helps economies. Trump claiming credit for everything positive whilst refusing responsibility for anything negative is just what he does. More fool those who believe him. A liberal social democracy which enables equality of opportunity, rewards enterprise and protects the vulnerable but not the lazy, is by far the best way to organise a successful and happy society in the 21st century. Only those with backwards-looking vision cannot see that.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Aug 20 4.49pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Voting in the UK is first past the Post, or the Westminster model. The very same way the Brexit referendum was. So it is hardly out of any norms in the UK. In addition, it was promised that the vote would be honoured. Thus, both sides of the debate knew what they were in for. One side lost, many didn't like it, however, it was entirely democratic. The only part correct about your argument is that the government didn't have to honour it. That would have been autocratic and anti-democratic. Brexit really doesn't suit me personally but it was democratic. I live in the EU so you can imagine the future hassle I face. It would NOT have been either autocratic or undemocratic to have acknowledged what our security services were telling the politicians. That Russian interference was so malevolent as to have had such a significant impact as to make the result unreliable. With it being so close it therefore really ought to have been rejected by Parliament. That was their duty but they bottled it out of fear of the reaction from the kind of people who dominate here. As I said. History will not be kind to the Tory's performance. Cameron misjudgements. May's lack of firm leadership. Johnson's personal ambitions. All of them have failed us badly.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 15 Aug 20 5.00pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It would NOT have been either autocratic or undemocratic to have acknowledged what our security services were telling the politicians. That Russian interference was so malevolent as to have had such a significant impact as to make the result unreliable. With it being so close it therefore really ought to have been rejected by Parliament. That was their duty but they bottled it out of fear of the reaction from the kind of people who dominate here. As I said. History will not be kind to the Tory's performance. Cameron misjudgements. May's lack of firm leadership. Johnson's personal ambitions. All of them have failed us badly. Hang on you told us for the last few years we should trust the politicians in Parliament to make the right decision? Changing you mind?
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| Wilesy01 Bristol 15 Aug 20 5.01pm |
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Looks like the Trump campaign is veering back towards birther conspiracies to try and discredit Harris. Prior instances of this from DT included both Obama and Ted Cruz. You wonder why he does it...
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Aug 20 5.13pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As no politician, so far as I am aware, has the capacity to throw anyone in prison I have no idea what you are talking about and suspect you don't either! That the US economy was still in the pendulum upswing that started under Obama is totally true, whether you admit it or not. Trump's long term impact cannot yet be judged but starting trade wars rarely helps economies. Trump claiming credit for everything positive whilst refusing responsibility for anything negative is just what he does. More fool those who believe him. A liberal social democracy which enables equality of opportunity, rewards enterprise and protects the vulnerable but not the lazy, is by far the best way to organise a successful and happy society in the 21st century. Only those with backwards-looking vision cannot see that. Biden's running mate was a District Attorney and Public Prosecutor. As such, Harris put people in prison, many black people too. For some heinous offences like having a couple of grams of cannabis people have got prison sentences way out of proportion to the crimes.
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Aug 20 5.20pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It would NOT have been either autocratic or undemocratic to have acknowledged what our security services were telling the politicians. That Russian interference was so malevolent as to have had such a significant impact as to make the result unreliable. With it being so close it therefore really ought to have been rejected by Parliament. That was their duty but they bottled it out of fear of the reaction from the kind of people who dominate here. As I said. History will not be kind to the Tory's performance. Cameron misjudgements. May's lack of firm leadership. Johnson's personal ambitions. All of them have failed us badly. The foreign capital and government expenditure was fine on the remain side, and was proven. You can look up any number of pieces on it. However, unproven allegations about the Russians and leave are still doing the rounds.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 15 Aug 20 5.21pm |
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Basically the lower the turn-out the greater the chance of Trump hanging on. So he will try everything to make it difficult to vote. But I think covid-19 has trumped him this time, his performance makes the UKs seem intelligent. A disaster as a president a bullying uncouth autocrat who has greatly diminished the USA in the world. The worst thing, together with covid-19, is the withdrawal from the Paris climate accord. The 2 most serious problems for the world, and its supposed leader has no input or understanding. If he fell in a wagon-load of tits, he would come up sucking his thumb.........
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cryrst  The garden of England 15 Aug 20 5.45pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Basically the lower the turn-out the greater the chance of Trump hanging on. So he will try everything to make it difficult to vote. But I think covid-19 has trumped him this time, his performance makes the UKs seem intelligent. A disaster as a president a bullying uncouth autocrat who has greatly diminished the USA in the world. The worst thing, together with covid-19, is the withdrawal from the Paris climate accord. The 2 most serious problems for the world, and its supposed leader has no input or understanding. If he fell in a wagon-load of tits, he would come up sucking his thumb.........
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