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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 03 Dec 23 8.31pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
There are some who are a lost cause so they aren’t worth affecting but there are many on benefits who will be in a worse financial position by being employed. Maybe if the incentive was to be in a better position for making the effort. I am out of date on this but believe that Universal Credit does already make incentives of this kind so that you keep your benefits for the first hours you work and then they get reduced incrementally as you earn more. It’s a very complicated system which perhaps others can explain. It doesn’t though seem to be having the desired impact in all circumstances.
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cryrst  The garden of England 03 Dec 23 10.07pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am out of date on this but believe that Universal Credit does already make incentives of this kind so that you keep your benefits for the first hours you work and then they get reduced incrementally as you earn more. It’s a very complicated system which perhaps others can explain. It doesn’t though seem to be having the desired impact in all circumstances. It may work as you say but the incentive should be you get more for working. Not the same. That’s the point, there may be no incentive to put the effort in without a reward.if it’s £30 a week what’s the point to get out of bed tbh. Edited by cryrst (03 Dec 2023 10.08pm)
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| georgenorman 03 Dec 23 11.04pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
It may work as you say but the incentive should be you get more for working. Not the same. That’s the point, there may be no incentive to put the effort in without a reward.if it’s £30 a week what’s the point to get out of bed tbh. Edited by cryrst (03 Dec 2023 10.08pm) Many people abuse the benefits system. More should be done to stamp out fraud and identify lead swingers. The benefits paid should be substantially reduced - you would suddenly find many of these people then seeking work, although they would probably be pretty mediocre employees.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 04 Dec 23 8.00am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
It may work as you say but the incentive should be you get more for working. Not the same. That’s the point, there may be no incentive to put the effort in without a reward.if it’s £30 a week what’s the point to get out of bed tbh. Edited by cryrst (03 Dec 2023 10.08pm) I am in favour of incentivizing people to work. The problem is that employers knowing their staff our getting a bung from the taxpayer keep their wages low so we are actually subsiding bad employers through the working tax credit. The minimum wage is the tool to solve this. Crackdown on the shirkers whilst increasing that forcing employers to pay a decent wage so work pays.
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| Stirlingsays Online 04 Dec 23 8.10am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
There are some who are a lost cause so they aren’t worth affecting but there are many on benefits who will be in a worse financial position by being employed. Maybe if the incentive was to be in a better position for making the effort. The problem there is that inflation usually outpaces wage rises. The problems here are multifactored.....people wanted the covid response, people wanted involvement in foreign wars and thus energy and cost impacts. They want what the media sell them but they don't want the consequences on living standards. The cost of living with housing and food versus blue collar wages doesn't add up. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Dec 2023 8.55am)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 05 Dec 23 2.01pm |
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Nothing like taking back control is there. 'Tories using Brexit to threaten state pension'. You would think there was nothing left for them to steal.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 18 Jan 24 2.57pm |
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It's 2024 and the desperate search for a Brexit benefit intensifies. Here at last, the Daily Express and tories trumpet 'masses of shellfish beds' in the Thames Estuary which of course can't have been there before Brexit itself. It's sad and pathetic worse than Rwanda. The Thames is now a class 'B' water (it's full of sewage) you cannot harvest anything there for sale. The shellfish have to be sent away to be purified. To the EU, as we don't have anything. and we are not in the single market so it's an expensive hassle.
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Teddy Eagle  18 Jan 24 3.05pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
It's 2024 and the desperate search for a Brexit benefit intensifies. Here at last, the Daily Express and tories trumpet 'masses of shellfish beds' in the Thames Estuary which of course can't have been there before Brexit itself. It's sad and pathetic worse than Rwanda. The Thames is now a class 'B' water (it's full of sewage) you cannot harvest anything there for sale. The shellfish have to be sent away to be purified. To the EU, as we don't have anything. and we are not in the single market so it's an expensive hassle.
The benefit of Brexit is schadenfreude at the reaction it provokes. Now you know how everyone else feels about "woke" issues.
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| Stirlingsays Online 18 Jan 24 5.41pm |
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| Stirlingsays Online 18 Jan 24 5.56pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
It's 2024 and the desperate search for a Brexit benefit intensifies. Here at last, the Daily Express and tories trumpet 'masses of shellfish beds' in the Thames Estuary which of course can't have been there before Brexit itself. It's sad and pathetic worse than Rwanda. The Thames is now a class 'B' water (it's full of sewage) you cannot harvest anything there for sale. The shellfish have to be sent away to be purified. To the EU, as we don't have anything. and we are not in the single market so it's an expensive hassle.
I'm going to be interested in how you see this question in a few years Steely as currently both France and Germany are probably on the path to having considerably more right wing governments than what even Farage would be here. I wonder if you'd be so pro the EU project then.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 22 Jan 24 2.51pm |
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Surely the greatest irony about Brexit. 'Brexit has made the UK a more multi-cultural, less white place'.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Jan 24 3.19pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Surely the greatest irony about Brexit. 'Brexit has made the UK a more multi-cultural, less white place'.
Funny how it's done that all across Europe too. Amazing knock on effect of one country leaving. Surely too then Brexit should be celebrated by those seeking multi cultural diversity? It's giving them what they want surely? So it is delivering.
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