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Park Road Flag 14 Jun 18 8.00am

What if God was actually the evil one and Satan was in fact good? After all, God is responsible for billions upon billions deaths, while Satan is responsible for only 10, all of which God commanded of him. If something bad happens like an earthquake or a Tsunami, we tend to call it 'an act of god' not an 'act of the devil'. Why?

It beggars my belief that millions of 'believers' claim that god is good, when the 'evidence' from his alleged behaviours and teachings is so comprehensively the opposite. Throughout the bible there are numerous accounts of god dishing out divine punishment by way of genocide, plagues, ethnic cleansing, and the like. If the bible were the word of god, then god supports infanticide, slavery, torture genocide and all manner of death destruction and suffering. I do not know of any mention of the devil being blamed for such things.
God is clearly a tyrant. He has committed many acts of evil, and somehow managed to amass an incredible following. That means God must be the ultimate deceiver. He has painted Satan as the deceiver to disguise his own faults and gain worshipers in a classic manner. 

Satan is the only deity who truly stands for free will. God threatens us with punishments for not adhering to his wishes. But Satan tells us that we should enjoy our lives and be happy and free to do what we think is right.

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 14 Jun 18 8.03am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Always knew you lot rooted for the villain in Disney films when you were kids.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 14 Jun 18 8.06am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

I don't believe in god or the devil. I do believe in good and evil. When I was at school we read John MIlton's Paradise Lost. It is a poem in which the devil persuasively argues that he is the victim (must be a scouser) and that he was hard done by god for simply exercising his free will.

The devil's argument follows closely to the ideas in your post. However those who are religious would point out that Milton is actually saying that the devil is a liar, an attractive and plausible one as the best liars are.

 


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Park Road Flag 14 Jun 18 8.38am

Originally posted by DanH

Always knew you lot rooted for the villain in Disney films when you were kids.

Us lot???
mmmmmwwwwahahahahahaha!

 

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Park Road Flag 14 Jun 18 8.43am

Originally posted by Badger11

I don't believe in god or the devil. I do believe in good and evil. When I was at school we read John MIlton's Paradise Lost. It is a poem in which the devil persuasively argues that he is the victim (must be a scouser) and that he was hard done by god for simply exercising his free will.

The devil's argument follows closely to the ideas in your post. However those who are religious would point out that Milton is actually saying that the devil is a liar, an attractive and plausible one as the best liars are.

The whole poem really has to be a justification (successful or not) of God's ways. But is it? Is Milton really putting himself where he can vindicate God's perspective on things?
Or, is it just one of the first examples of "Fake news"?

 

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View Cannonball's Profile Cannonball Flag High in the Ozarks. 14 Jun 18 9.32am Send a Private Message to Cannonball Add Cannonball as a friend

Originally posted by Park Road

What if God was actually the evil one and Satan was in fact good? After all, God is responsible for billions upon billions deaths, while Satan is responsible for only 10, all of which God commanded of him. If something bad happens like an earthquake or a Tsunami, we tend to call it 'an act of god' not an 'act of the devil'. Why?

It beggars my belief that millions of 'believers' claim that god is good, when the 'evidence' from his alleged behaviours and teachings is so comprehensively the opposite. Throughout the bible there are numerous accounts of god dishing out divine punishment by way of genocide, plagues, ethnic cleansing, and the like. If the bible were the word of god, then god supports infanticide, slavery, torture genocide and all manner of death destruction and suffering. I do not know of any mention of the devil being blamed for such things.
God is clearly a tyrant. He has committed many acts of evil, and somehow managed to amass an incredible following. That means God must be the ultimate deceiver. He has painted Satan as the deceiver to disguise his own faults and gain worshipers in a classic manner. 

Satan is the only deity who truly stands for free will. God threatens us with punishments for not adhering to his wishes. But Satan tells us that we should enjoy our lives and be happy and free to do what we think is right.

Excellent post. I have always thought that was the case since I was a kid and had to read the Bible.Two stories stuck in my mind about just how nasty God was.
First When the people of Sodom knocked on Lot's door to see his visitors (angels) he said they could have his little daughters to rape if they would go and leave his visitors in peace.
Secondly. When some kids made fun of Elijah,God sent a bear to devour them.Doesnt sound like a good and just God to me.

 


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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 14 Jun 18 10.01am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Cannonball

Excellent post. I have always thought that was the case since I was a kid and had to read the Bible.Two stories stuck in my mind about just how nasty God was.
First When the people of Sodom knocked on Lot's door to see his visitors (angels) he said they could have his little daughters to rape if they would go and leave his visitors in peace.
Secondly. When some kids made fun of Elijah,God sent a bear to devour them.Doesnt sound like a good and just God to me.

Yeah but I think ‘God Lite’ later on in the Bible (New Testament) was a bit more touchy-feely.

 


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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 14 Jun 18 10.14am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

It’s all just a load of bollocks really, isn’t it?

 

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View Cucking Funt's Profile Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 14 Jun 18 10.16am Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

All you heretics, apostates and blasphemers are going to burn in hell.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 14 Jun 18 10.21am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by YT

Yeah but I think ‘God Lite’ later on in the Bible (New Testament) was a bit more touchy-feely.

The old testament is all about people begetting and smiting. So nothing's really changed then? Seems like the human race never learns.

 


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View DANGERCLOSE's Profile DANGERCLOSE Flag london 14 Jun 18 10.56am Send a Private Message to DANGERCLOSE Add DANGERCLOSE as a friend

Why do we exist?

Keep asking yourself the same question and you will eventually find the answer?

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 14 Jun 18 11.20am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

It might have started with unstable people desperate to believe in something but it grew because It's all just a means of control.....jobs for clerics.

It's why religions have sprang up thousands of times in numerous places all throughout history.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jun 2018 11.22am)

 


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