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Stirlingsays 31 Aug 17 5.56pm
Natural disasters are always terrible and of course we know they adversely affect the poor and vulnerable. I see the debate on climate change as a related but separate argument. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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31 Aug 17 5.56pm

Natural disasters are always terrible and of course we know they adversely affect the poor and vulnerable.

I see the debate on climate change as a related but separate argument.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Ray in Houston Houston 31 Aug 17 6.00pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You have no idea whether the storm was exacerbated by global warming and nor do I. Furthermore, you don't know the major causes of global warming and nor do I. We rely on scientists to tell us their best theory. Opinions differ. In an interglacial period, temperatures will rise, that much, anyone can figure out. How much humans have contributed to it is another matter. It's easy to make a one sided argument. This is such denial, head in the sand, nonsense. Scientists agree that climate change is real, that it is man made and that the things that are happening now are the predicted and predictable results of climate change. There is no credible scientific opposition to the climate change consensus. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You have no idea whether the storm was exacerbated by global warming and nor do I. Furthermore, you don't know the major causes of global warming and nor do I. We rely on scientists to tell us their best theory. Opinions differ.
In an interglacial period, temperatures will rise, that much, anyone can figure out. How much humans have contributed to it is another matter.
It's easy to make a one sided argument.

This is such denial, head in the sand, nonsense. Scientists agree that climate change is real, that it is man made and that the things that are happening now are the predicted and predictable results of climate change.

There is no credible scientific opposition to the climate change consensus.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Moose In the sewer pipe... 31 Aug 17 6.03pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 Not sure what's more shocking Moose this thread or the fact you've posted!! How the devil are ya? Very well thanks mate. Unfortunately I spent so many years on this site it got jettisoned at work. . I just thought I'd put a silly little thread up about (Whitney) Houston but blimey look at all the po faces! Nice to get an insult from Pikey though, it wouldn't have been right without one, the old b******. Goodness is what you do. Not who you pray to.
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In the sewer pipe... 31 Aug 17 6.03pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

Not sure what's more shocking Moose this thread or the fact you've posted!! How the devil are ya?

Very well thanks mate. Unfortunately I spent so many years on this site it got jettisoned at work. . I just thought I'd put a silly little thread up about (Whitney) Houston but blimey look at all the po faces! Nice to get an insult from Pikey though, it wouldn't have been right without one, the old b******.

Goodness is what you do. Not who you pray to.

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Ray in Houston Houston 31 Aug 17 6.10pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I'm hoping you can swim Ray. Maybe we should launch an urgent appeal to get Ray some life preservers. I can swim better than you, I bet (former competitive distance swimmer). I don't need a life preserver but thousands of my fellow Houstonians do. Please get them together and ship them over. Thanks. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Houston 31 Aug 17 6.10pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm hoping you can swim Ray.

Maybe we should launch an urgent appeal to get Ray some life preservers.

I can swim better than you, I bet (former competitive distance swimmer).

I don't need a life preserver but thousands of my fellow Houstonians do. Please get them together and ship them over. Thanks.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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.TUX. 31 Aug 17 6.19pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston I doubt there will be a change of heart from those who deny climate change. However, this bears all the hallmarks of a storm that was far worse and for more badly behaved due to climate change. It sped up as it reached the coast (weird) and went from a Tropical Storm to a Cat 4 hurricane in 44 hours (crazy). Because warmer seas mean more moisture in the atmosphere, it had far more water to collect and dump on its way. It's not like this storm doesn't happen without climate change; but climate change definitely made this storm far worse that it would have been otherwise. We're talking about a 1/2 degree increase in sea temperature made Harvey the biggest rain-maker ever to hit the US, instead of just a weekend of bad weather for southeast Texas. Sea level rises renders existing sea walls etc. as inadequate as the storm surge ahead of such storms are increased. There's a multitude of ways that climate change ramps up individual weather events, and things like Harvey are a manifestation of those things in perfect combination. NASA’s own data reveals that worldwide ocean levels have been falling for nearly two years, dropping from a variation of roughly 87.5mm to below 85mm. The problem (as i see it) is what/who to believe in regards to climate change when the whole 'industry' appears to amount to nothing more than, surprise surprise, yet another way to tax the people. Yes, i have a special lightbulb and a shopping bag for life (Steve Hughes) but what friggin' good is that when China has poured more concrete in the last 10yrs than the IOUSA has in it's history and Obama dropped bombs at a rate of one every 30mins of his presidency! We're being taken for mugs..........in my humble. Edit: Sorry, meant to wish you and others all the best in these circumstances. Edited by .TUX. (31 Aug 2017 6.20pm) Buy Litecoin.
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31 Aug 17 6.19pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

I doubt there will be a change of heart from those who deny climate change. However, this bears all the hallmarks of a storm that was far worse and for more badly behaved due to climate change. It sped up as it reached the coast (weird) and went from a Tropical Storm to a Cat 4 hurricane in 44 hours (crazy). Because warmer seas mean more moisture in the atmosphere, it had far more water to collect and dump on its way.

It's not like this storm doesn't happen without climate change; but climate change definitely made this storm far worse that it would have been otherwise. We're talking about a 1/2 degree increase in sea temperature made Harvey the biggest rain-maker ever to hit the US, instead of just a weekend of bad weather for southeast Texas. Sea level rises renders existing sea walls etc. as inadequate as the storm surge ahead of such storms are increased. There's a multitude of ways that climate change ramps up individual weather events, and things like Harvey are a manifestation of those things in perfect combination.

NASA’s own data reveals that worldwide ocean levels have been falling for nearly two years, dropping from a variation of roughly 87.5mm to below 85mm.

The problem (as i see it) is what/who to believe in regards to climate change when the whole 'industry' appears to amount to nothing more than, surprise surprise, yet another way to tax the people. Yes, i have a special lightbulb and a shopping bag for life (Steve Hughes) but what friggin' good is that when China has poured more concrete in the last 10yrs than the IOUSA has in it's history and Obama dropped bombs at a rate of one every 30mins of his presidency!
We're being taken for mugs..........in my humble.

Edit: Sorry, meant to wish you and others all the best in these circumstances.

Edited by .TUX. (31 Aug 2017 6.20pm)

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Stirlingsays 31 Aug 17 6.22pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston I can swim better than you, I bet (former competitive distance swimmer). I don't need a life preserver but thousands of my fellow Houstonians do. Please get them together and ship them over. Thanks. You probably can.....Na, love America as I do, it's a rich country. I'd rather help India. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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31 Aug 17 6.22pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

I can swim better than you, I bet (former competitive distance swimmer).

I don't need a life preserver but thousands of my fellow Houstonians do. Please get them together and ship them over. Thanks.

You probably can.....Na, love America as I do, it's a rich country. I'd rather help India.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Ray in Houston Houston 31 Aug 17 6.26pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You probably can.....Na, love America as I do, it's a rich country. I'd rather help India. That works too. I'm off to scavenge packing boxes and then go help a friend clean up after they had 6 feet of water in their (one story) house this weekend. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Houston 31 Aug 17 6.26pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You probably can.....Na, love America as I do, it's a rich country. I'd rather help India.

That works too.

I'm off to scavenge packing boxes and then go help a friend clean up after they had 6 feet of water in their (one story) house this weekend.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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.TUX. 31 Aug 17 6.41pm
Another one? "Rapidly Intensifying" Hurricane Irma Barreling Straight Toward The East Coast...... [Link] Buy Litecoin.
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Another one?
"Rapidly Intensifying" Hurricane Irma Barreling Straight Toward The East Coast......

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 31 Aug 17 7.00pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You have no idea whether the storm was exacerbated by global warming and nor do I. Furthermore, you don't know the major causes of global warming and nor do I. We rely on scientists to tell us their best theory. Opinions differ. In an interglacial period, temperatures will rise, that much, anyone can figure out. How much humans have contributed to it is another matter. It's easy to make a one sided argument. I didn't mention global warming or climate change. Stop looking for arguments. Just because the majority of the media say it's doubtful it exists, doesn't make over 90% of climate scientists wrong. It's worth considering how little the media have shown the tragedy around Mumbai.
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Shizzlehurst 31 Aug 17 7.00pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I didn't mention global warming or climate change. Stop looking for arguments.

Just because the majority of the media say it's doubtful it exists, doesn't make over 90% of climate scientists wrong.

It's worth considering how little the media have shown the tragedy around Mumbai.

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Hrolf The Ganger 31 Aug 17 7.17pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I didn't mention global warming or climate change. Stop looking for arguments. Just because the majority of the media say it's doubtful it exists, doesn't make over 90% of climate scientists wrong. It's worth considering how little the media have shown the tragedy around Mumbai. Irony alert. I agree actually. It's because we relate to people of similar culture more than others. Human nature and all that.
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Originally posted by nickgusset

I didn't mention global warming or climate change. Stop looking for arguments.

Just because the majority of the media say it's doubtful it exists, doesn't make over 90% of climate scientists wrong.

It's worth considering how little the media have shown the tragedy around Mumbai.

Irony alert.

I agree actually. It's because we relate to people of similar culture more than others. Human nature and all that.

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steeleye20 Croydon 31 Aug 17 7.17pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston This is such denial, head in the sand, nonsense. Scientists agree that climate change is real, that it is man made and that the things that are happening now are the predicted and predictable results of climate change. There is no credible scientific opposition to the climate change consensus. That's right countries are signed up to the climate accord because of the scientific evidence presented to them. So why is the USA not joining in just isolationism should be at the helm IMO. Media? Dis-credited more interested in tracking down a possible 'sexist' remark than in the future of the world.
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Croydon 31 Aug 17 7.17pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

There is no credible scientific opposition to the climate change consensus.

That's right countries are signed up to the climate accord because of the scientific evidence presented to them.

So why is the USA not joining in just isolationism should be at the helm IMO.

Media? Dis-credited more interested in tracking down a possible 'sexist' remark than in the future of the world.

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.TUX. 31 Aug 17 7.18pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I didn't mention global warming or climate change. Stop looking for arguments. Just because the majority of the media say it's doubtful it exists, doesn't make over 90% of climate scientists wrong. It's worth considering how little the media have shown the tragedy around Mumbai. The (owned) media do not care about Mumbai as it serves no purpose. Taking down statues on the other hand....... Buy Litecoin.
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31 Aug 17 7.18pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I didn't mention global warming or climate change. Stop looking for arguments.

Just because the majority of the media say it's doubtful it exists, doesn't make over 90% of climate scientists wrong.

It's worth considering how little the media have shown the tragedy around Mumbai.

The (owned) media do not care about Mumbai as it serves no purpose.
Taking down statues on the other hand.......

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