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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 17 Mar 20 11.20pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I hope they learn the lessons quickly because I think the real test is going to be when October comes back around again.

This virus came to us on the arse end of the cold weather......and unless the vaccine identification and mass production is super fast we face a full winter next time around.

They better have spare NHS capacity by then or it isn't going to be pretty.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 17 Mar 20 11.42pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Mr Wise Guy, you are talking absolute b***ocks, as usual, can you please explain how many Border Force Officers will have arms that are 2 metres long ( the social distance you speak of)? They have to be handed passports and speak to passengers. If that doesn’t make them at risk I do not know what does.
Please don’t be patronising “ as long as they follow guidelines” they are not stupid

Let's just take a look at where the b***ocks really is coming from!

Officers don't need to have arms 2 metres long. Many pass through the biometric booths these days. The danger exists for people who are within 2 metres of another person for more than 15 mins. That would be a rarity and for the small number involved a booth could be closed and the special facilities that exist used. These place the traveller in a room to wait whilst checks are made. Should questions need to be asked that take longer than 15 mins it could be done through a screen or window.

We could introduce temperature check points through which everyone has to pass before passport control with anyone registering a high reading being picked out for special screening by appropriately trained staff wearing protective clothing. I saw this done in Hong Kong during the SARS virus outbreak. It worked smoothly and wasn't at all disruptive.

It's really not rocket science.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 17 Mar 20 11.56pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Let's just take a look at where the b***ocks really is coming from!

Officers don't need to have arms 2 metres long. Many pass through the biometric booths these days. The danger exists for people who are within 2 metres of another person for more than 15 mins. That would be a rarity and for the small number involved a booth could be closed and the special facilities that exist used. These place the traveller in a room to wait whilst checks are made. Should questions need to be asked that take longer than 15 mins it could be done through a screen or window.

We could introduce temperature check points through which everyone has to pass before passport control with anyone registering a high reading being picked out for special screening by appropriately trained staff wearing protective clothing. I saw this done in Hong Kong during the SARS virus outbreak. It worked smoothly and wasn't at all disruptive.

It's really not rocket science.

It might be medical science though.


Researchers said the virus that causes COVID-19 remains infectious in the air for up to three hours, on copper for up to four hours, on cardboard for up to 24 hours, and on plastic and stainless steel for up to three days.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 18 Mar 20 12.09am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Obviously the initial spread from one country to the next was caused by the crossing of borders by people....whether immigrants or not.

It's certainly true that its spread isn't only caused by immigration....but that wasn't said was it.

Immigration worsens the situation for the simple reasons stated and that's partly why borders are being shut around the world.

Regardless shutting borders is only one part of fighting this.

As for the US situation....the border action is so recent that I'm surprised you've come to such a conclusion and now that the virus has taken root the case number is obviously going to shoot up.

How fast and how long depends upon what the strategy is.....Well, to an extent....because percentages of people will do what people do....Unless you're literally suppressing them, which they don't have the infrastructure to do....even if they wanted to.


Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Mar 2020 11.15pm)

Come on mate, immigration isn’t a reason to blame. There isn’t much immigration in northern Italy, if there was a reason to blame immigrants and there was a whiff of blame, the press would be all over it and a spread of the virus is a spread of the virus. If anything immigration can slow it down getting to you individually because the average number of people a carrier spreads it to will mean every immigrant means you’re a bit safer or delayed to get it. There will be more deaths from immigration longer term just because there’s more people, and if it’s passed through immigrants then the percentage of fatalities will take a percentage of them also.

I’m against previous immigration policies but this blame hasn’t been thought through.

You can blame border policies during the virus crisis perhaps but not immigration.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (18 Mar 2020 12.19am)

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 18 Mar 20 12.17am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yes you are.

Immigration brings more people into the country....more people equals more chance of incoming infections....spreaders and catchers.

It's not that difficult.

Countries haven't been closing their borders out of boredom.....They are only responsible for their own nationals.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Mar 2020 2.28pm)

Well I agree with this. Why take the risk? But I mean people from now, not a few months ago, although I might argue why are a,b or c coming in anyway, but that’s another issue.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 18 Mar 20 1.56am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Well I agree with this. Why take the risk? But I mean people from now, not a few months ago, although I might argue why are a,b or c coming in anyway, but that’s another issue.

I think you see what I meant here.

It relates back to WE's post where he couldn't see an argument against immigration in respect of making the situation worse. It was just within that context.

We all know that once this virus had evolved that it would get to us eventually.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Mar 2020 2.36am)

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 18 Mar 20 5.36am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Closing the borders is sensible.
Countries can use their health systems for x people.
I'm sure non Italians and non germans and non British are being treated where needed if they are in another country.
Why ATM increase the potential patient numbers.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 18 Mar 20 8.53am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

It might be medical science though.


Researchers said the virus that causes COVID-19 remains infectious in the air for up to three hours, on copper for up to four hours, on cardboard for up to 24 hours, and on plastic and stainless steel for up to three days.

This can’t be right WE doesn’t seem to think so

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 18 Mar 20 9.41am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think you see what I meant here.

It relates back to WE's post where he couldn't see an argument against immigration in respect of making the situation worse. It was just within that context.

We all know that once this virus had evolved that it would get to us eventually.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Mar 2020 2.36am)

It was late at night and I probably got caught in the frenzy of reactions.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 Mar 20 9.43am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

It might be medical science though.


Researchers said the virus that causes COVID-19 remains infectious in the air for up to three hours, on copper for up to four hours, on cardboard for up to 24 hours, and on plastic and stainless steel for up to three days.

It might be many things, although I haven't heard those claims. The truth seems to be that no-one really yet knows, hence the cautious approach. I did hear yesterday that someone has suggested it could be airborne which could turn everything upside down.

Nevertheless, the current advice is to maintain a 2 metre separation from anybody you are likely to be in the company of for 15 mins or more. That I believe is based on the knowledge of the way similar viruses transmit. I am following that advice and think that unless and until it is updated we all should. If we all have different strategies then chaos could result.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 18 Mar 20 10.06am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It might be many things, although I haven't heard those claims. The truth seems to be that no-one really yet knows, hence the cautious approach. I did hear yesterday that someone has suggested it could be airborne which could turn everything upside down.

Nevertheless, the current advice is to maintain a 2 metre separation from anybody you are likely to be in the company of for 15 mins or more. That I believe is based on the knowledge of the way similar viruses transmit. I am following that advice and think that unless and until it is updated we all should. If we all have different strategies then chaos could result.

The only reason I could see for specifying a distance length and time would be as an estimate on the concentration strength compared to an average person's immune strength......there are obviously going to be different virus concentration strengths and different immune strengths.

I wouldn't take it as gospel...Interaction will carry risk, the older and weaker the immune system the higher the risk.

In other words, I mean, you don't need a stopwatch and tape measure.....You need to avoid the water vapor that they breath out...So it's using your common.

For example, you could walk into the space that an infected person had walked out of and still be the correct distance away but breathe in their water vapor or transmit it via hands.....our bodies deal with viruses every day.....it's much more about how strong your immune system is.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Mar 2020 10.34am)

 


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View SavoyTruffle's Profile SavoyTruffle Flag 18 Mar 20 10.08am Send a Private Message to SavoyTruffle Add SavoyTruffle as a friend

Jeremy Hunt on Newsnight: “In retrospect I can see the cuts to social care were in a way the most silent but also the most devastating.”

If only he’d been in a position to do something about it...

 

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