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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 18 Mar 20 12.49pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

Political point scoring... or holding the government to account. Whatever you chose to call it...

If you can’t say it’s silly that the government over the last 10 years has cut hospital beds by 12,000 to the point we are now forking out £2.4 million of taxpayers money a day to send to private health companies for 8000 of their beds, when is it a good time to point out the stupidness of that?

Our current system can’t function in times of crisis, you saw it in 2008 and your seeing it again now. It’s all free market economics, survival of the fittest until it’s their bank/air line/manufacturing company in trouble. Then it’s off to the government with their caps out begging for a cash injection.

How much would it cost have the buildings operational, the staff and supply the bedding,medical equipment,energy etc to have these 12k extra beds.
2.4 million a day or maybe more x how many days they are idle and not being used.
You do the sums einstein.
1 in a 100 YEARS pandemic is no reason to have a just incase mentality.
I think holding the government to account wouldn't come into your mind if it was your family in a private hospital bed.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 18 Mar 20 1.41pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Glastonbury 2020 cancelled.

Serious 5hlt

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Is that what you say when you pick up your s*** (drugs)?

 


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View mezzer's Profile mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 18 Mar 20 2.08pm Send a Private Message to mezzer Add mezzer as a friend

From Bloomberg within the last hour.

"More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority". The other 1% were suffering from hypochondria.

Apparently 75% also had high blood pressure.

Average age of people who died was 79.5 and 75% had at least two pre-existing illnesses.

The sample is getting bigger and there appears to be at least some kind of pattern emerging.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 18 Mar 20 2.19pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by mezzer

From Bloomberg within the last hour.

"More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority". The other 1% were suffering from hypochondria.

Apparently 75% also had high blood pressure.

Average age of people who died was 79.5 and 75% had at least two pre-existing illnesses.

The sample is getting bigger and there appears to be at least some kind of pattern emerging.


I can see tensions emerging between the fit and healthy who are seeing their earnings and businesses suffering and the vulnerable oldies.

The millennials and zoomers out for the boomers....as it were.

Zoomers = Generation Z (starting birth dates mid nineties)
Millennials = Generation Y (starting birth dates early eighties)

 


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View mezzer's Profile mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 18 Mar 20 2.30pm Send a Private Message to mezzer Add mezzer as a friend

I agree. I don't think the "we're in it together" feeling will last too long. There are already mutterings about old people referring back to the war and how they got through it as well as it being the "leave" generation that are largely seeing fatalities. The compassion is wafer thin.

When yesterday's and today's Government comments on helping with renters and mortgage owners, as well as businesses, are seen not to be immediately forthcoming in form of cash in the pocket, there will be even more rumblings about whether the hardship felt by individuals is really worth it.

Personally, I don't think this will be allowed to go on for months. Someone will blink first.

 


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View johnno42000's Profile johnno42000 Flag 18 Mar 20 2.34pm Send a Private Message to johnno42000 Add johnno42000 as a friend

Not going to have a go about BJ's handling of the situation. It would be hard for anyone as Prime Minister. I can't get my head around why the schools are still open though.

A lot of children travel by public transport to school along with adults. At school the children interact with teachers, teaching assistants, dinner ladies etc. They then go home to their families.

I can't understand why it is different to advising adults to work from home? It seems the same, if not more, of a risk of spreading the lurgy.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 18 Mar 20 2.39pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by mezzer

I agree. I don't think the "we're in it together" feeling will last too long. There are already mutterings about old people referring back to the war and how they got through it as well as it being the "leave" generation that are largely seeing fatalities. The compassion is wafer thin.

When yesterday's and today's Government comments on helping with renters and mortgage owners, as well as businesses, are seen not to be immediately forthcoming in form of cash in the pocket, there will be even more rumblings about whether the hardship felt by individuals is really worth it.

Personally, I don't think this will be allowed to go on for months. Someone will blink first.

Yep, it's going to be an interesting juxtaposition within society between those who normally 'go along to get along', put their heads down and get on with it and those in the politically correct and political classes....the 'inclusivity Nazis' so to speak.

I'm an 'inclusivity Nazi' until mid April I think.....We can't restrict the economy like it doesn't matter.

Personally I'm confident that the warmer weather in May will knock this down as humidity seems to have that affect.....If it does I think the restrictions will ease considerably......That said, it's going to remain very dicey for the sickly vulnerable grey wizards among us....Get bookish and don't let your grandchildren climb over you till you've had that vaccine.

Once mid September turns up and it gets cold and wet.....We have six months of fun still without a vaccine.....though I have little doubt that they will be mass producing one by next summer.....Again, just my personal view.


Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Mar 2020 2.56pm)

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 18 Mar 20 2.46pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by johnno42000

Not going to have a go about BJ's handling of the situation. It would be hard for anyone as Prime Minister. I can't get my head around why the schools are still open though.

A lot of children travel by public transport to school along with adults. At school the children interact with teachers, teaching assistants, dinner ladies etc. They then go home to their families.

I can't understand why it is different to advising adults to work from home? It seems the same, if not more, of a risk of spreading the lurgy.

Schools in Scotland are apparently closing on Friday for a couple of weeks but some say they won’t reopen until after the summer holidays.

 

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View blackheatheagle's Profile blackheatheagle Flag Beckenham 18 Mar 20 2.55pm Send a Private Message to blackheatheagle Add blackheatheagle as a friend

Originally posted by mezzer

From Bloomberg within the last hour.

"More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority". The other 1% were suffering from hypochondria.

Apparently 75% also had high blood pressure.

Average age of people who died was 79.5 and 75% had at least two pre-existing illnesses.

The sample is getting bigger and there appears to be at least some kind of pattern emerging.

I was also wondering why there is dramatic difference between Italy & Germany death rate and found a data that majority of people who are infected in Italy is old people whereas in Germany this is opposite. Thus, it is obvious that death rate is higher in Italy. But this data also shows (one you shared) that old is not a matter only, should be coupled with a serious sickness. I guess one the aspect is in Italy old people are more socialized and in Germany they already had isolated life?

For schools, i think they somehow want to make it to Easter break delay any decision until 3rd week of April where there will be more confidence on strategy they are following.


 

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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 18 Mar 20 3.18pm

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

Political point scoring... or holding the government to account. Whatever you chose to call it...

If you can’t say it’s silly that the government over the last 10 years has cut hospital beds by 12,000 to the point we are now forking out £2.4 million of taxpayers money a day to send to private health companies for 8000 of their beds, when is it a good time to point out the stupidness of that?

Our current system can’t function in times of crisis, you saw it in 2008 and your seeing it again now. It’s all free market economics, survival of the fittest until it’s their bank/air line/manufacturing company in trouble. Then it’s off to the government with their caps out begging for a cash injection.


What a load of old toss.

This is unprecedented. No government, from any side, would be to blame.


 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 18 Mar 20 3.23pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by mezzer

I agree. I don't think the "we're in it together" feeling will last too long. There are already mutterings about old people referring back to the war and how they got through it as well as it being the "leave" generation that are largely seeing fatalities. The compassion is wafer thin.

When yesterday's and today's Government comments on helping with renters and mortgage owners, as well as businesses, are seen not to be immediately forthcoming in form of cash in the pocket, there will be even more rumblings about whether the hardship felt by individuals is really worth it.

Personally, I don't think this will be allowed to go on for months. Someone will blink first.

Very interesting, unsurprising, and like Sterling, in time I’ll see their side more.

For blame or finger pointing I think there is one country with it’s immoral and unhygienic food and animal practices and trade. China. To teach them a lesson we’d have to hit them and consequently ourselves in the pocket.

 


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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 18 Mar 20 3.32pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

The Government have NOT closed pubs,clubs etc etc but advised people not to frequent them.

One of the 'Locals' in my vicinity has experienced a significant drop in trade with rooms and meals being cancelled to the extent that some of the regular staff have been stood down from some of their rostered shifts.There are a number of customers who frequent this establishment who are somewhat 'Ripe' in years and older than 'Yours Truly' who is 68 this year.

The pub in the next village to ours has turned itself into a temporary shop (the village PO & stores closed about 5 years ago) so that the locals can get at least the basics without having to travel into town, They are delivering to anyone in isolation too.......

great use of a pub, but can't see it working in Croydon

 


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