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Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Sep 20 12.28pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays This whole bloody nightmare has been an exercise in over reaction and what happens with a wholly irresponsible political class and media scare millions of Karens and bedwetters. A destroyed economy with significant incoming tax rises and sometimes dramatic consequences for millions of the poorest both here and aboard. God knows how many people's whose diagnoses to serious or deadly conditions were missed or delayed too long.....God knows how much long term unemployment will damage the vulnerable...It comes of course with its rise in suicide and all the rest of it. As I and a few others correctly stated once the picture emerged, the cure will be worse than the disease.....but hey wear a mask bigot! Good Lord. If the complications are worse for a percentage....I very much doubt that it's at a scale that will justify the ridiculous levels of fiscal self harm that's been inflicted and that's even forgoing the civic liberties that have been tossed aside like they are meaningless. I think it would be rather a hard sell to all all those starving children to come over the next few years that their death was necessary because.....'nasty nasty flu' came with heart inflammation for a percent. The Hong Kong flu we had in 68 killed a million worldwide yet people kept calm and carried on. I guess that back then we didn't have a media and social structure that enabled so frigging many feminized tarts. Now I have little doubt that a time will come when a designed or whatever virus will emerge that is as dangerous or worst than the black death and severe restrictions and reactions will be required (if it's possible to do it then). This wasn't it. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Sep 2020 6.51pm) Great post. Princess Diana’s chauffeur, the paparazzi in hot pursuit, Alastair Campbell and Tony Blair have a lot to answer for. While I was shocked and as saddened as someone who never knew one of the most famous and adored people in the world I had little in common with, I didn’t completely lose my marmorbles and self indulge in grief of others. I remember the scenes outside Kensington Palace and the first corner the funeral car turned and the black lady whaling to epic volume levels. This kind of feeling sorry for ourselves and for anything that’s on the daily indulge in compassion menu doesn’t do anyone any good in the end. Solutions and sense have completely gone out of the window and I don’t see which generation in future will see the downsides to being such a weak society. Long Covid? Jesus. Have people completely forgotten that illnesses can have long recovery times and difficulties along the way? I know it’s a shock when you’re fit because it’s happened to me, but it’s a test in life and life cannot and should not protect individuals to the detriment of others whether now or in the future. And these are the people who will accuse people of selfishness. Edited by Rudi Hedman (08 Sep 2020 12.29pm) COYP
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Caterham 08 Sep 20 12.28pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

This whole bloody nightmare has been an exercise in over reaction and what happens with a wholly irresponsible political class and media scare millions of Karens and bedwetters.

A destroyed economy with significant incoming tax rises and sometimes dramatic consequences for millions of the poorest both here and aboard. God knows how many people's whose diagnoses to serious or deadly conditions were missed or delayed too long.....God knows how much long term unemployment will damage the vulnerable...It comes of course with its rise in suicide and all the rest of it.

As I and a few others correctly stated once the picture emerged, the cure will be worse than the disease.....but hey wear a mask bigot! Good Lord.

If the complications are worse for a percentage....I very much doubt that it's at a scale that will justify the ridiculous levels of fiscal self harm that's been inflicted and that's even forgoing the civic liberties that have been tossed aside like they are meaningless.

I think it would be rather a hard sell to all all those starving children to come over the next few years that their death was necessary because.....'nasty nasty flu' came with heart inflammation for a percent.

The Hong Kong flu we had in 68 killed a million worldwide yet people kept calm and carried on. I guess that back then we didn't have a media and social structure that enabled so frigging many feminized tarts.

Now I have little doubt that a time will come when a designed or whatever virus will emerge that is as dangerous or worst than the black death and severe restrictions and reactions will be required (if it's possible to do it then).

This wasn't it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Sep 2020 6.51pm)

Great post. Princess Diana’s chauffeur, the paparazzi in hot pursuit, Alastair Campbell and Tony Blair have a lot to answer for. While I was shocked and as saddened as someone who never knew one of the most famous and adored people in the world I had little in common with, I didn’t completely lose my marmorbles and self indulge in grief of others. I remember the scenes outside Kensington Palace and the first corner the funeral car turned and the black lady whaling to epic volume levels. This kind of feeling sorry for ourselves and for anything that’s on the daily indulge in compassion menu doesn’t do anyone any good in the end. Solutions and sense have completely gone out of the window and I don’t see which generation in future will see the downsides to being such a weak society.

Long Covid? Jesus. Have people completely forgotten that illnesses can have long recovery times and difficulties along the way? I know it’s a shock when you’re fit because it’s happened to me, but it’s a test in life and life cannot and should not protect individuals to the detriment of others whether now or in the future. And these are the people who will accuse people of selfishness.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Sep 20 12.39pm
Originally posted by BlueJay While some are likely genetically unlucky, it's hard to argue that if you keep yourself fit, healthy and have a decent diet you're more likely to be able to weather any health related storm. If someone has auto immune issues, diabetes, is obese, or has other ongoing health deficiencies I can certainly see them having more of an otherwise avoidable battle for their health on their hands. When combined with age that looks to be a good measure of any immediate threat to a persons health. As you've said before it's important to stay fit and healthy and I think you're right on that, people should see this as the perform time to get fighting fit. Agree. But BBC tried and succeeded to find 2 fit (down boys) females who’ve experienced long Covid as you expect with any respiratory virus or plenty of illnessSS. [Link] COYP
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Caterham 08 Sep 20 12.39pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

While some are likely genetically unlucky, it's hard to argue that if you keep yourself fit, healthy and have a decent diet you're more likely to be able to weather any health related storm. If someone has auto immune issues, diabetes, is obese, or has other ongoing health deficiencies I can certainly see them having more of an otherwise avoidable battle for their health on their hands.

When combined with age that looks to be a good measure of any immediate threat to a persons health. As you've said before it's important to stay fit and healthy and I think you're right on that, people should see this as the perform time to get fighting fit.

Agree. But BBC tried and succeeded to find 2 fit (down boys) females who’ve experienced long Covid as you expect with any respiratory virus or plenty of illnessSS.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Sep 20 12.51pm
Originally posted by BlueJay While it's worth pointing out that the coronavirus is going to wipe out many more than 1 million+, I've always been of the view that we should have geared towards protecting old folks homes, and let those at less risk get on with their lives. As I had said in my previous message, anything we do learn about the long term 'is not easy information to act on anyway as we need to keep the world turning regardless'. My entire emphasis is that it's both possible to get on with life but also keep an eye on the science as it develops along the way. It might not be a direct path to understanding, but a body of data will eventually give a definitive answer on whether the vast majority have shrugged off a nothing virus, or have significant problems down the line. We do not yet know that for sure because it's not been around long enough to evaluate. Holding an understandable interest in the health impact does not automatically follow that someone is frothing at the mouth for another lockdown. There's a bit more to life than social media bubble fueled tick box A or B, as communicating with people 'IRL' will attest to. People should make their own choices with regard to risk, especially where their livelihoods are concerned. The only sensible exceptions where the community comes before slight inconvenience to my mind are environments frequented by the elderly like shops, as well as public transport. In those scenarios I'm happy to hold a community outlook, as are the vast majority of others as way of being respectful and considerate of those who may be relying on that for the sake of their health or piece of mind. Edited by BlueJay (07 Sep 2020 8.53pm) Fair post, only in shops I’ve noticed I’m more ‘community minded’ than some visibly at least younger healthier people and some of certainly maturer ages and younger clearly carrying something as they cough, sniffle, wipe their noses under and during little breaks of wearing masks. This includes a nurse yesterday sniffling into a tissue before getting in the lift and sniffling more under her mask. The coughing at the supermarket shelves and the touching, pulling and general use of masks just enforces how stupid it is. I haven’t once struggled to give people room in shops because I just respect other’s needs because I don’t know what they are. But I get frustrated with people blocking places like petrol station aisles, oblivious to anything or anyone and don’t understand anything other than ‘I’m in a mask so that’s sorted’ type view. I think they still forget the mask isn’t supposed to protect them, although that still doesn’t make complete sense unless your coughing. If you have a regular cough etc why are you near me in the first place? COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 08 Sep 20 12.51pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

While it's worth pointing out that the coronavirus is going to wipe out many more than 1 million+, I've always been of the view that we should have geared towards protecting old folks homes, and let those at less risk get on with their lives. As I had said in my previous message, anything we do learn about the long term 'is not easy information to act on anyway as we need to keep the world turning regardless'.

My entire emphasis is that it's both possible to get on with life but also keep an eye on the science as it develops along the way. It might not be a direct path to understanding, but a body of data will eventually give a definitive answer on whether the vast majority have shrugged off a nothing virus, or have significant problems down the line. We do not yet know that for sure because it's not been around long enough to evaluate.

Holding an understandable interest in the health impact does not automatically follow that someone is frothing at the mouth for another lockdown. There's a bit more to life than social media bubble fueled tick box A or B, as communicating with people 'IRL' will attest to. People should make their own choices with regard to risk, especially where their livelihoods are concerned. The only sensible exceptions where the community comes before slight inconvenience to my mind are environments frequented by the elderly like shops, as well as public transport. In those scenarios I'm happy to hold a community outlook, as are the vast majority of others as way of being respectful and considerate of those who may be relying on that for the sake of their health or piece of mind.

Edited by BlueJay (07 Sep 2020 8.53pm)

Fair post, only in shops I’ve noticed I’m more ‘community minded’ than some visibly at least younger healthier people and some of certainly maturer ages and younger clearly carrying something as they cough, sniffle, wipe their noses under and during little breaks of wearing masks. This includes a nurse yesterday sniffling into a tissue before getting in the lift and sniffling more under her mask. The coughing at the supermarket shelves and the touching, pulling and general use of masks just enforces how stupid it is.

I haven’t once struggled to give people room in shops because I just respect other’s needs because I don’t know what they are. But I get frustrated with people blocking places like petrol station aisles, oblivious to anything or anyone and don’t understand anything other than ‘I’m in a mask so that’s sorted’ type view. I think they still forget the mask isn’t supposed to protect them, although that still doesn’t make complete sense unless your coughing. If you have a regular cough etc why are you near me in the first place?

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Stirlingsays 08 Sep 20 1.41pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Agree. But BBC tried and succeeded to find 2 fit (down boys) females who’ve experienced long Covid as you expect with any respiratory virus or plenty of illnessSS. [Link] It's a new virus the Chinese have inflicted upon us. So we have to adapt to it. Sensible precautions were always recommended....Sweden and the East Asians were the only ones to keep their heads. How we, and most of Europe and the Anglosphere have reacted to it though reveals the many weaknesses of cultural modernity. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Sep 2020 1.43pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Agree. But BBC tried and succeeded to find 2 fit (down boys) females who’ve experienced long Covid as you expect with any respiratory virus or plenty of illnessSS.

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It's a new virus the Chinese have inflicted upon us.

So we have to adapt to it.

Sensible precautions were always recommended....Sweden and the East Asians were the only ones to keep their heads.

How we, and most of Europe and the Anglosphere have reacted to it though reveals the many weaknesses of cultural modernity.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Sep 2020 1.43pm)

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BlueJay UK 08 Sep 20 2.15pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Agree. But BBC tried and succeeded to find 2 fit (down boys) females who’ve experienced long Covid as you expect with any respiratory virus or plenty of illnessSS. [Link] An interesting read. I do think that logically being fit is a plus point but there's no doubt that it's worth keeping an eye on the significant numbers of people still be ill 3 months on, especially if that stays true as more months tick by. I'd say it's certainly a good time based on what we know of vulnerable groups for individuals to get obesity in check, improve diet and so on. I'm not saying it's a cure all though of course. Maybe just good sense, even in the absence of this particular virus.
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UK 08 Sep 20 2.15pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Agree. But BBC tried and succeeded to find 2 fit (down boys) females who’ve experienced long Covid as you expect with any respiratory virus or plenty of illnessSS.

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An interesting read. I do think that logically being fit is a plus point but there's no doubt that it's worth keeping an eye on the significant numbers of people still be ill 3 months on, especially if that stays true as more months tick by.

I'd say it's certainly a good time based on what we know of vulnerable groups for individuals to get obesity in check, improve diet and so on. I'm not saying it's a cure all though of course. Maybe just good sense, even in the absence of this particular virus.

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steeleye20 Croydon 08 Sep 20 5.30pm
Sir Keir Starmer has claimed that the test and trace system is “on the verge of collapse”. In an interview with the BBC, the Labour leader said the government should have used the summer to get a “very effective” test and trace system in place. But that did not happen, he claimed. At a time like this with a further wave expected, this is the last thing we needed.
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Sir Keir Starmer has claimed that the test and trace system is “on the verge of collapse”.

In an interview with the BBC, the Labour leader said the government should have used the summer to get a “very effective” test and trace system in place. But that did not happen, he claimed.

At a time like this with a further wave expected, this is the last thing we needed.

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Eaglecoops CR3 08 Sep 20 7.03pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC They go into smaller countries and larger developments of private property. Thus mortgages and private houses belong to faceless funds. Largely, falsely inflating prices with the collusion of local planning officials, local government and higher elected officials. This is in the UK and in Ireland and plenty of other places too. Commercial property means dealing with savvy business people and lawyers who also want a profit. But there is far more profit to make from 1000 young families without the hassle of them being able to do anything about how you treat them. Investment funds are essentially the new slum landlords. Combine this with these 'house flippers' encouraged by TV programmes and you have the perfect storm for young people wanting to get on the property ladder - or find somewhere with affordable rent. There is also no government construction due to poor management and outright, blatant corruption. It always makes me laugh how a much poorer Britain easily housed everyone. Now they do anything to not even manage their own stocks or just sell them off with no benefit to anyone. Sorry, I but I cannot agree. You cannot legitimately commercially invest people’s pension money in residential portfolios in this country. Well, that’s not totally true, but you have to jump through some hoops, see the link attached. [Link] I do not blame pensions for the increase in residential property values in this country, I blame unrestricted foreign investment and consistently low interest rates. There may well be investment funds that invest in residential property but these funds won’t be held in pension portfolios.
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Originally posted by ASCPFC

They go into smaller countries and larger developments of private property. Thus mortgages and private houses belong to faceless funds. Largely, falsely inflating prices with the collusion of local planning officials, local government and higher elected officials.
This is in the UK and in Ireland and plenty of other places too. Commercial property means dealing with savvy business people and lawyers who also want a profit. But there is far more profit to make from 1000 young families without the hassle of them being able to do anything about how you treat them.
Investment funds are essentially the new slum landlords. Combine this with these 'house flippers' encouraged by TV programmes and you have the perfect storm for young people wanting to get on the property ladder - or find somewhere with affordable rent.
There is also no government construction due to poor management and outright, blatant corruption. It always makes me laugh how a much poorer Britain easily housed everyone. Now they do anything to not even manage their own stocks or just sell them off with no benefit to anyone.

Sorry, I but I cannot agree. You cannot legitimately commercially invest people’s pension money in residential portfolios in this country. Well, that’s not totally true, but you have to jump through some hoops, see the link attached.

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I do not blame pensions for the increase in residential property values in this country, I blame unrestricted foreign investment and consistently low interest rates. There may well be investment funds that invest in residential property but these funds won’t be held in pension portfolios.

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 08 Sep 20 11.12pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Sorry, I but I cannot agree. You cannot legitimately commercially invest people’s pension money in residential portfolios in this country. Well, that’s not totally true, but you have to jump through some hoops, see the link attached. [Link] I do not blame pensions for the increase in residential property values in this country, I blame unrestricted foreign investment and consistently low interest rates. There may well be investment funds that invest in residential property but these funds won’t be held in pension portfolios. Commercial property can be purchased through pensions, residential can’t. Not unless you lose your tax breaks. "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops

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Commercial property can be purchased through pensions, residential can’t. Not unless you lose your tax breaks.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 09 Sep 20 1.14am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Sir Keir Starmer has claimed that the test and trace system is “on the verge of collapse”. In an interview with the BBC, the Labour leader said the government should have used the summer to get a “very effective” test and trace system in place. But that did not happen, he claimed. At a time like this with a further wave expected, this is the last thing we needed. Keir is going about this badly. The testing is bollox because of the false positives and them just testing more and finding more people positive (with lots of false positives), but the positives per tests remains the same. But I suppose that doesn’t fit Keira’s original and permanently nervous approach to this and of course he won’t step out of the European govt trend to this. If he had anything about him he’d pull the government apart over the shocking amount of people not getting critical organ treatment and body part operations. The hospitals were cleared out and didn’t backtrack on it when we were on the other side or the curve flattened and won’t now until whenever next year or god forbid whenever after 2021 as they keep hospitals from providing anything more than a fraction of its services as they ‘wait for a 2nd wave’ like they waited while the virus has been on the way down at least for months. He’s as fvcking useless and negligent as Hancock & Johnson. Truly shambolic from the whole lot. I name her Keira from now on. COYP
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Originally posted by steeleye20

Sir Keir Starmer has claimed that the test and trace system is “on the verge of collapse”.

In an interview with the BBC, the Labour leader said the government should have used the summer to get a “very effective” test and trace system in place. But that did not happen, he claimed.

At a time like this with a further wave expected, this is the last thing we needed.

Keir is going about this badly. The testing is bollox because of the false positives and them just testing more and finding more people positive (with lots of false positives), but the positives per tests remains the same. But I suppose that doesn’t fit Keira’s original and permanently nervous approach to this and of course he won’t step out of the European govt trend to this. If he had anything about him he’d pull the government apart over the shocking amount of people not getting critical organ treatment and body part operations. The hospitals were cleared out and didn’t backtrack on it when we were on the other side or the curve flattened and won’t now until whenever next year or god forbid whenever after 2021 as they keep hospitals from providing anything more than a fraction of its services as they ‘wait for a 2nd wave’ like they waited while the virus has been on the way down at least for months. He’s as fvcking useless and negligent as Hancock & Johnson. Truly shambolic from the whole lot.

I name her Keira from now on.

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Stirlingsays 09 Sep 20 2.28am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Great post. Princess Diana’s chauffeur, the paparazzi in hot pursuit, Alastair Campbell and Tony Blair have a lot to answer for. While I was shocked and as saddened as someone who never knew one of the most famous and adored people in the world I had little in common with, I didn’t completely lose my marmorbles and self indulge in grief of others. I remember the scenes outside Kensington Palace and the first corner the funeral car turned and the black lady whaling to epic volume levels. This kind of feeling sorry for ourselves and for anything that’s on the daily indulge in compassion menu doesn’t do anyone any good in the end. Solutions and sense have completely gone out of the window and I don’t see which generation in future will see the downsides to being such a weak society. Long Covid? Jesus. Have people completely forgotten that illnesses can have long recovery times and difficulties along the way? I know it’s a shock when you’re fit because it’s happened to me, but it’s a test in life and life cannot and should not protect individuals to the detriment of others whether now or in the future. And these are the people who will accuse people of selfishness. Edited by Rudi Hedman (08 Sep 2020 12.29pm) Kudos Rudi, excellent post. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Edited by Rudi Hedman (08 Sep 2020 12.29pm)

Kudos Rudi, excellent post.

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Badger11 Beckenham 09 Sep 20 8.10am
"And we're back" From Monday groups will be restricted to 6 people inside and out with exceptions. So on behalf of the wrinklies I would like to thank young people for not taking the virus seriously. Some of them have behaved like idiots with their illegal raves etc. The infection rate amongst that group has gone up here and across Europe so thanks for ruining it for everyone else. Sigh. Edited by Badger11 (09 Sep 2020 8.11am) One more point
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"And we're back"

From Monday groups will be restricted to 6 people inside and out with exceptions.

So on behalf of the wrinklies I would like to thank young people for not taking the virus seriously. Some of them have behaved like idiots with their illegal raves etc.

The infection rate amongst that group has gone up here and across Europe so thanks for ruining it for everyone else.

Sigh.

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