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 Stirlingsays  14 Dec 19 1.04pm |
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I get the cordial side and humour is also important. Still, let's be real, Hol isn't about asking the vicar how many lumps of sugar he wants.....by the way, one please. Hol is also a place for a bloody good argument.....Political forums also exist to let off steam and really it's for the contestants to stay within the mod's interpretation of the rules. I'm always wary of creeping censorship.
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| chris123 hove actually 14 Dec 19 1.11pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
"WE" A reformed EU is needed. Those countries who wish for closer political alignment must be allowed to have it, whilst those who don't must be allowed to retain their independence. A two speed Europe was under discussion 30 years ago. I presented a paper on it to a London society back then. It's not new but it is inevitable. We ought to remain as the leader of the second group. ---- It's pointless talking about hypotheticals. If and when the EU does reform then our politicians will know doubt take a closer look I am not against re-joining a looser alignment as long as power remains with our Parliament. If your correct then the EU has the perfect opportunity now to start that reform when we enter the trade negotiations. They can offer Boris a deal which could becomes the basis for a 2 tier Europe however I think that is highly unlikely. As I see it you are making assumptions that are simply not there at the moment. Maybe in a few years when the EU misses our revenue you could be right but at this moment I have not heard any of the key players urging this.
Edited by Badger11 (14 Dec 2019 12.06pm) Edited by Badger11 (14 Dec 2019 12.07pm) It's becoming evermore federal and that's why I'm out.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 14 Dec 19 1.28pm |
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If Labour are wondering what went wrong then look at this clip between members of the Labour party on Piers Morgan. Grace Blakely (who she?) a Corbyn supporter shouts down any attempt at discourse by her fellow Labour party guests. She might as well stick her fingers in her ears and yell lalalala. She seems to typify one wing of the Labour party. Take a look at the faces of the other guests Ian Dale is an absolute picture of bemusement. Until Labour can debate sensibly amongst themselves all they are going to do is elect yet another leader from London with the same failed policies.
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| Spiderman Horsham 14 Dec 19 1.46pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
I dare say,if I decided to join the BBS and propound my political views, I would be tarred and feathered, thrown in the pestle and mortar and pummelled.From reading some of the posts on HOL I have concluded that my political leanings are at variance with many who grace that site ! I am certainly not averse to fiesty exchanges and full and frank discussions but I suspect some on there would lower their bar to the levels where personal insults would take the place of mature and healthy debate. Indeed they do. So much for the Palace "family"
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| Spiderman Horsham 14 Dec 19 1.48pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Agreed. I don't agree with his view point but we are not the BBS. People should take a look at the vileness on their. If this board becomes like that I'm out of here. I can vouch for that
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| Spiderman Horsham 14 Dec 19 1.59pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
I can vouch for that
Quote: Spineless man more like! Go and crawl under a stone you troll. Quote: No because of his posting history over the last several years. I haven’t called you a racist have I? Tit.
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eagleman13  On The Road To Hell & Alicante 14 Dec 19 6.20pm |
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In my humble opinion . . . THE BRITISH PUBLIC. When i say that, i mean the indigenous peoples of the UK. The 'ecanomic/European/online interference has at least 50% of 'input' no proof, just supposition. I make no secret of the fact im a 'leaver' i voted no in Ted Heaths EEC vote, didnt work then, lets hope to god it works now, IMO, this country is now governed by 'outside' forces. Yes i know peeps will straight away comment on the fact that i have now all but moved to Spain & i wasnt born in the UK, so what, i grew up here, i went to school here, i worked here & paid ALL my taxes & NI. From now on we all have to work together to get this country back to where it should be, ie GREAT BRITAIN.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 19 7.11pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I don't care where he goes as long as I don't have to read his self righteous drivel. I have never been on any web forum that contains more self righteous drivel than this one. All of it coming from the right wing contributors who dominate these pages, with one or two being stand out examples of the sub species . It is for that reason that I have restricted my contributions during the election period as experience teaches that changing such minds is a hopeless task. I concentrated on left wing sites attempting to find a way of them dumping Corbyn before it was too late but they are every bit as blind to reason as those on the right. So we ended up exactly as I expected and predicted. Many middle ground voters were often forced as a consequence to have to decide between the unacceptable and the unelectable. Not that I expect many here to realise that, let alone accept it! Many here seem to think that everyone is as positive as they are about this issue.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 19 7.46pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Please give it a rest, very tiresome. You have been bleating on about how, in 2016 people did not know what they are voting for. Now after over 3years of debate and media coverage (plenty of which was negative towards leaving) you cannot say people did not know, they did and still voted to leave. Please don't carry on about the majority still voted to remain because in 2016 the majority voted to leave but that, in your mind, was not acceptable The fact is, despite the Tories gaining an 80 seat majority, more votes were cast for parties seeking a second referendum than for those who did not. There is nothing the least bit tiresome about that. In fact I suspect you are going to hear it a lot in the coming months. If, as you claim, people now know better than in 2016 (and I agree that they do) then what does that fact mean? That the people voted in a Tory government doesn't mean that most want this Brexit, or any kind of Brexit. Mainly it demonstrates a weariness and desire for any kind of closure. I think they are likely to be disappointed when they realise that the only thing that has been "done" is them.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 19 7.55pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Some people would vote Labour if a dog turd was the leader. There is definitely an age divide that will remain in place but I feel that the immigration issue will be a big part of driving traditional Labour voters over to the Tories. There is no other credible party that represents those concerns with Labour being perceived as Mass immigration friendly. I think you are right about the traditional Labour voters motivation. What then will they do when labour has a better leader who appeals to them again aided by a year or two of disappointment that their expectations over immigration (which are bound to be undeliverable) have been dashed? Most will have only lent their votes to the Tories. If the Johnson government tries too hard to satisfy them then they could easily see the next version of the Farage Party looming in the rear view mirror. Plain sailing it will not be.
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| chris123 hove actually 14 Dec 19 7.56pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The fact is, despite the Tories gaining an 80 seat majority, more votes were cast for parties seeking a second referendum than for those who did not. There is nothing the least bit tiresome about that. In fact I suspect you are going to hear it a lot in the coming months. If, as you claim, people now know better than in 2016 (and I agree that they do) then what does that fact mean? That the people voted in a Tory government doesn't mean that most want this Brexit, or any kind of Brexit. Mainly it demonstrates a weariness and desire for any kind of closure. I think they are likely to be disappointed when they realise that the only thing that has been "done" is them. Everyone who voted Labour, Lib Dem or SNP wants a second referendum?
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| Stirlingsays 14 Dec 19 7.57pm |
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I think I've finally realised this guy's real identity.
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